ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon • Hacker News Board

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by wizofaus » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:02 PM UTC

ranting-moth wrote: post #93

They might not replace them, but it fulfills a role that Google could do previously. Try to find out what type of a spring is in a spring clamp using google? "What type of a spring is in a spring clamp?" Or use whatever query you want. The top 10 results won't tell me the answer. Ask ChatGPT. It'll tell you (spoiler: it's a tension spring or a torsion spring. It's not a coil spring.) 8 out of 10 Google results are tr…

Curious, the second result for me was aboutmechanics.com, which said it was a coil clamp. But I agree Google seems to be interpreting the question as "what's a spring clamp".

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by emkoemko » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:02 PM UTC

lonelyasacloud wrote: post #109

What's going to really slow their adoption down is creators of the raw information on which they are trained are going to need some way of being paid for their work. Until payment is figured out it seems likely that creators will increasingly restrict access to their information and that will impact the utility and adoption of the models. Google's probably got the advantage in terms of figuring that side of it out if…

yea if this gets popular i can't see any incentive for someone to give the data away for free to the model

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by twojacobtwo » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:03 PM UTC

sitkack wrote: post #103

twojacobtwo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see that being true for the top 5% (arbitrarily chosen small %) of difficult translations with professional requirements, but I think for the vast majority of day-to-day translation between the major languages (maybe only within the same language family), it is already sufficient and improving. I only have the anecdata of my friends and myself, but we have yet to encounter a casual conversation type translation…

Exactly! ChatGPT might not replace search (entirely), but for many many use cases, it has already replaced search. When pure machine translation was starting out, there were lots of similar posts about it how it can't YYY, but in short amount of time it has become very effective. ChatGPT for me is a much better StackOverflow. In fact, I'd rather people be asking and answering SO style question in a format that is eas…

Oh, I see. I completely missed the tone/intent of your original post. I'm in complete agreement with you there. Thank you for elaborating.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by ipython » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:06 PM UTC

uconnectlol wrote: post #114

Waterluvian wrote: post #57

I remember when web search engines were new. And boy did they suck. You wouldn’t get what you wanted a lot of the time, and they were very finicky about the input query. These days you can just throw stuff at it like “that movie about the depressed guy with a plane engine that falls on their house” I’m not sure ChatGPT is going to replace search engines, but I’m confident that it is incredibly young and will evolve c…

In 2001-2003, browsers crashed every 5 minutes then and Google's search didn't crash nor freeze nor slow it due to not being covered in ads and popups (having only 1-3 ad results at the top of the page with green text was a massive improvement). On tech forums back then, people would say, "is this even sustainable?" Microsoft search and the other ones were just "there was an attempt" tier and gave complete nonsense r…

Are you looking for the movie The Blues Brothers? (Not ChatGPT, I promise)

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by emkoemko » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:06 PM UTC

lossolo wrote: post #59

It seems like an article from Kodak or Nokia. It's only a matter of time, and it will be sooner rather than later, that multimodal LLMs will replace search engines. All of the problems mentioned in the article are being addressed as we speak. Advanced retrieval transformer + RLHF + LAMBADA[1] = RIP old search engines. 1. https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.13894

how do you replace search engines? where is the data coming from? and why would anyone give it away for free? most of the web runs off ads

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by qayxc » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:07 PM UTC

azemetre wrote: post #118

iLoveOncall wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ask ChatGPT. It'll tell you Without any way for you to know if it's the right answer or not. Wow, so useful.

How is this any different than Google? The only thing Google exceeds at is serving you SEO garbage on every query.

Google results(plural!) give you alternatives and references, i.e. you know where each answer is coming from and SEO spam is easily identifiable.

ChatGPT just gives you an answer that's confidentially wrong sometimes.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by coredog64 » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:07 PM UTC

briga wrote: post #62

Au contraire, ChatGPT has already replaced search engines for me, at least for generalized knowledge searches. It provides better and more personalized answers to my questions than Google and is an excellent way to learn about new topics. It's not 100% accurate and can even be misleading, but that is hardly different than other search engines. Once more people catch on to how incredibly useful ChatGPT is its use will…

One of the challenges with ChatGPT compared to Google is that most employers, even the really paranoid ones, don’t mind you using a search engine to answer questions. That goes out the window for ChatGPT: My current employer won’t even let me use translate.google.com, let alone copy/paste some IP into someone else’s LLM.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by coredog64 » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:09 PM UTC

uconnectlol wrote: post #114

Waterluvian wrote: post #57

I remember when web search engines were new. And boy did they suck. You wouldn’t get what you wanted a lot of the time, and they were very finicky about the input query. These days you can just throw stuff at it like “that movie about the depressed guy with a plane engine that falls on their house” I’m not sure ChatGPT is going to replace search engines, but I’m confident that it is incredibly young and will evolve c…

In 2001-2003, browsers crashed every 5 minutes then and Google's search didn't crash nor freeze nor slow it due to not being covered in ads and popups (having only 1-3 ad results at the top of the page with green text was a massive improvement). On tech forums back then, people would say, "is this even sustainable?" Microsoft search and the other ones were just "there was an attempt" tier and gave complete nonsense r…

The original AltaVista (the DEC Alpha showcase) was pretty fantastic: I remember giving it part numbers and getting back useful, actionable data.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by coredog64 » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:10 PM UTC

Eisenstein wrote: post #90

Waterluvian wrote: post #57

I remember when web search engines were new. And boy did they suck. You wouldn’t get what you wanted a lot of the time, and they were very finicky about the input query. These days you can just throw stuff at it like “that movie about the depressed guy with a plane engine that falls on their house” I’m not sure ChatGPT is going to replace search engines, but I’m confident that it is incredibly young and will evolve c…

Yeah but in those days you could call up the local video store and ask the clerk that question and he or she would tell you it was Donnie Darko.

I thought it was “The World According To Garp”

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 9:13 PM UTC

waynesonfire wrote: post #42

kyrra wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Googler opinions are my own. (I know nothing about search). Google has LaMDA, which I could see them putting the answers from it into the knowledge box at the top of searches. There is no reason they have to be mutually exclusive, a search engine can provide answers from both. Google search is already an aggregation of multiple sources (images, web index, knowledge, shopping, video, flights, etc...). Adding another s…

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