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Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by waynesonfire »

ahstilde wrote: post #68

Personally, I believe the future of search is video. Most of the world uses mobile devices, and video is better on mobile devices than text. This is why Google and TikTok are shifting to short-form video for search. At my company, we're seeing significant search traffic through YT shorts, currently ~2500 views per day: https://www.youtube.com/@wyndly/shorts

You're seeing shorts on YT is because Google has changed their ranking algorithm.

It seems that the quality of shorts has really declined lately. It's almost as if they are being made with the assumption that the only audience they will have is comprised of members of the gen-z generation, who are known for having short attention spans and being easily captivated by quick, sensational videos. These types of videos often feature someone doing something seemingly ordinary, like crossing the street, but with a dramatic caption promising that the viewer won't be able to believe what happens next if they continue watching. It's truly sad to see the decline in quality of these shorts, and the reliance on cheap tricks to grab and hold onto the viewer's attention.

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Post by notahacker »

emrah wrote: post #19
cs702 wrote: post #6

...But ChatGPT's successors just might . I, for one, look forward to a future in which I can ask a digital assistant to find and summarize information on anything: "Computer, please find out how GPS works and explain it to me like I'm five years old." "Computer, what are the latest Covid-19 infection stats in my city?" "Computer, who is Claude Shannon and why is he important?" "Computer, what are the top three storie…

That is, if you can blindly trust the answers.. if it could provide the top sources for the information so I could fact-check it if needed, it would work

That's why in some respects, I think the sheer clunkiness of "according to website.com, claude shannon is..." or "ok, I've found this on the web..." in the current consumer tech is better than anonymous, authoritative somewhat novel answers than might be the internet's consensus opinion or might just be a vaguely relevant word vector structured like an answer

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Post by twojacobtwo »

sitkack wrote: post #9

Machine translation won't replace human translation any time soon.

I can see that being true for the top 5% (arbitrarily chosen small %) of difficult translations with professional requirements, but I think for the vast majority of day-to-day translation between the major languages (maybe only within the same language family), it is already sufficient and improving.

I only have the anecdata of my friends and myself, but we have yet to encounter a casual conversation type translation that DeepL or Google translate have failed on for Spanish English French. Granted, it doesn't always return the most optimal translation, but it has always given the intended core idea.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by eachro »

naillo wrote: post #69
supermatt wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They havent "announced" anything. It would make cost-per-query and latency go through the roof, so its HIGHLY unlikely.

Why would it make latency go up? It's incredibly parallelizable just copy the weights on more machines.

The additional cpu to gpu to cpu round trip time I'm guessing?

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by gunshai »

briga wrote: post #62

Au contraire, ChatGPT has already replaced search engines for me, at least for generalized knowledge searches. It provides better and more personalized answers to my questions than Google and is an excellent way to learn about new topics. It's not 100% accurate and can even be misleading, but that is hardly different than other search engines. Once more people catch on to how incredibly useful ChatGPT is its use will…

ChatGPT is miles above Google search for me when it comes to learning the "hello world" of just about anything at this point.

From there it's a simple prompt of where to go next and asking for references to work that dig deeper.

Even if it's wrong, it almost doesn't matter because I can just say "are you sure?" given this extra information, and it corrects itself. Even then if it's still wrong you can prompt it in a ways to give you potential search terms to put into Google.

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Post by rapsey »

wut42 wrote: post #51
kyleyeats wrote: post #38

Bing announced their ChatGPT deal the next day: https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/04/microsoft_openai_chat...

I really wonder how the economics of running chatgpt for Bing's request will work. GPT is anything but cheap to run, IIRC, it requires more than four A100 GPU cards.

The bill is already largely footed by MS probably. OpenAI and MS are a partnership and they run on azure cloud.

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Post by theteapot »

ben_w wrote: post #65
theteapot wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did ChatGPT come up with this, or just rip it off from some place(s) without attribution?

I've seen this sort of response a lot lately, both for GPT and all the image generators. Google, and all the other search engines, literally show snippets of the original content to display search results, and have had copyright infringement lawsuits over this. Yet somehow, it's taken these AI, which generally aren't just block-quoting things unless you ask them to (and often getting it wrong if you do), for non-lawy…

I think that just indicates it's more blatant. With search engine results I can click through to the original source. That's attribution, at least to the laymen. ChatGPT has no such thing.

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Post by fakedang »

I want to add here that I'm building an app at the moment with code solely generated through prompts for ChatGPT. So far, except for a few issues and manual refactoring, it has done very well.

ChatGPT even apologized when it suggested proprietary Firebase, when I told it to use Supabase instead.

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by baxtr »

A bit tangential, but still worth asking since I haven’t seen it addressed anywhere else:

When I type a query into Google, it returns results almost instantaneously.

With ChatGPT, it has latency PLUS it writes out answers annoyingly slow.

Does anyone know why that spell out every answer like that? Is that a UX gimmick or related to the latency?

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by antihipocrat »

kyrra wrote: post #15
WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #2

True, but it does not have to. ChatGPT is it's own thing. It has functions search engines can never accomplish. You can say the same thing the other way around, "Why Search Engines won't replace ChatGPT?" The essence of what ChatGPT is is here to stay. We'll be seeing different flavors and it will be a big part of everyone's life.

Googler opinions are my own. (I know nothing about search). Google has LaMDA, which I could see them putting the answers from it into the knowledge box at the top of searches. There is no reason they have to be mutually exclusive, a search engine can provide answers from both. Google search is already an aggregation of multiple sources (images, web index, knowledge, shopping, video, flights, etc...). Adding another s…

If we don't need to click a link does google receives less revenue? I think including more direct answers from a search query would require changes to Google's business model.
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