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> What's the proper control to use for interacting with a navigation 1. Voice control 2. Pull over
The only navigation thing I can do that feels safe while driving is “Hey Siri, take me to XYX.” Any non-verbal way to interact will take your eyes and hands away from driving far too much.
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Regulating is how we got here. They put the screens in to serve backup cameras. Once you need to have a screen somewhere why not make it replace all the stuff? Engineers love it because less moving parts, fewer parts. Software loves it because ship garbage now fix with updated version later. Designers love it because "clean lines and crap". Marketing loves it because high tech. Bean counters love it for all the above…
> Regulating is how we got here. They put the screens in to serve backup cameras. And for good reason, they make reversing your vehicle significantly safer. But saying "you must have a backup camera" is in no way an endorsement for massive info-tainment screens. > Once you need to have a screen somewhere why not make it replace all the stuff? Because touchscreens don't help serve any purpose of the car, they are mere…
They're significantly safer than the 2005 suburban that had a massive blind spot if your worried about backing over their kid (which wasn't really that common to begin with and was mostly a moral panic).
For your average crossover, sedan or other "typical car" they are no better than the car designs we had 20yr ago that you could actually get decent rear visibility out of. Many would argue that they are worse because they have enabled bad design trends (touchscreens and lack of any useful amount of rear visibility). Backup cameras make full sending it into cross traffic or swinging the front of your car into something way more likely which is why most of the OEMs have systems to detect that and prevent it now.
Basically we've regulated a local minimum because some people couldn't handle not backing over their kids and that failure mode hit real close to home for the "I know exactly what everyone else needs" crowd who then expended political capital getting it legislated.
> The fact this stuff made it out of prototyping is baffling.
Reality never got in the way of a good old fashioned industry circle jerk.
I have 2022 Kia Telluride that gets a lot of this right, it there is one major issue - Google maps on Car Play starts falling behind where I am on the route. Like you to half a mile. It has put me in some very dangerous situations where I am in an unfamiliar town or area.
Could you try another device? This could be caused by anything from the phone's GPS to Google Maps running slow.
I would love to see some EU legislation about car dashboards. As an occasional driver of many different brands and types of vehicles, I continue to be amazed at the usability crimes being committed in the name of 'looking cool' (stated reason) as well as 'cost savings' (most likely the real reason). Any function that needs to be invoked or setting that needs to be changed by a reasonable person while driving should h…
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Oh, I'm fine with digital readouts, as long as there is an analog backup for when you hit that unavoidable software bug. Airplanes get this right: even on the latest Airbus, you still have the basic altitude, air/vertical speed and heading instruments, in a familiar place and configuration, based on boring physical/analog principles, just in case you need them... (and, because they're mandated by FAA [14 CFR 91] and…
But there are no analog backups in cars. Engines also operate on software. Not sure to what extent, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that steering wheels and brakes too. I know that sounds a bit scary, but somewhat doubt modern traction control is all analog.
To add on that: digital tech in cars is god awful and ages very poorly. Entering some top end cars like the newest S class and even more the electric counterparts seems like entering a night club filled with tablets[1] https://www.carbibles.com/uploads/2021/04/15/laser.jpg?auto=...
I feel the same way when I see these vehicles. All I can think about is how dated it will look in five years. However, it seems that the leasing crowd prefers to get rid of their cars in three years tops anyway which is a huge chunk of this market.
Feels like entering in a 10+ year old car with that UI.
On top of that, some features already do not work anymore (like calling the Mercedes concierge or the automatic incident localizer).
https://www.netcarshow.com/Mercedes-Benz-C-Class_Cabriolet-2...
I think we got steered in the wrong direction when car-mounted GPS devices were touch (albeit infrared). And the car industry was more copycat than innovative. It is the reason why I cringe at the tesla's big giant screen.
We need a Steve Jobs to take the messup of these industry players and fix it. Start off with incredibly limited, but perfect functions, and then grow from there once people's heads are rewired to understand how it should work.
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Generally, it only tends to come up in any area where the market seems to be failing consumers. This is interpreted as an externality that the market doesn't account for (in this case consumer safety, in the case of USB-C charging e-waste), which regulations are then introduced to correct for.
>>in this case consumer safety Ironic since safety laws is what put the screens in the cars in the first place, the regulation requiring backup camera's which required large screen to show the picture. >>in the case of USB-C charging e-waste lol, yea that is not the reason for USB-C regulation, nor was that needed at all, and that will handicap either the EU or global innovation. What ever comes next to replace USB-C…
The ggp post was about EU requirements. A backup camera is not required in the EU, that's a US requirement. EU requires a warning system when going backwards, but that's beeping, not showing a picture (a camera/screen wouldn't satisfy the warning-requirement).
The touchscreen is small and only for music or nav.
The controls for A/C and cruise and everything real are large, beautiful buttons.
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I am sure you are not going to agree or like my response to this argument then. It should be incumbent upon the driver to learn how to operate their car safely. If our ultimate goals are to maximize highway safety, we should be punishing reckless driving. It shouldn't matter if it's caused by alcohol, sleep deprivation, prescription medication, text messaging, or Touch Screens. If lawmakers want to stick it to danger…
You're right. I'm not. I'm not even convinced you're arguing in good faith any more, because frankly I can't imagine how a rational and empathetic individual could have reasoned themselves into these opinions. I'm not going to argue with you any more, because you're either a troll, or someone to who can't be reasoned out of their opinions simply because they didn't reason themselves into them.
Empathy and rationality are often in conflict, you seem to side more on the empathetic side where I do not. I am purely on the logical / rational side and freely admit to having very low Empathy.
>>someone to who can't be reasoned out of their opinions simply because they didn't reason themselves
I literally linked to a site called Reason.com.... It provides a very reasoned case for the abolishment of Drunk driving laws, and the unintended consequences to civil liberties those laws have created. (similar to the consequence to civil liberties the war on drugs has caused)
I think I have very reasoned and logical positions that are not based at all in empathy or emotion, which IMO is where all government regulation and law should be, devoid of emotion. Laws created because of emotional response are almost universally bad laws.
