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Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by lrem »

PreInternet01 wrote: post #95
kayodelycaon wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the dashboard in my 2014 Prius. The speedometer is digital numbers, which is great because I have trouble reading dials. Never had an issue with anything freezing up. Later Toyotas I’ve rented have full color screens. They work okay.

Oh, I'm fine with digital readouts, as long as there is an analog backup for when you hit that unavoidable software bug. Airplanes get this right: even on the latest Airbus, you still have the basic altitude, air/vertical speed and heading instruments, in a familiar place and configuration, based on boring physical/analog principles, just in case you need them... (and, because they're mandated by FAA [14 CFR 91] and…

But there are no analog backups in cars. Engines also operate on software. Not sure to what extent, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that steering wheels and brakes too. I know that sounds a bit scary, but somewhat doubt modern traction control is all analog.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by daniel-cussen »

afandian wrote: post #36
PreInternet01 wrote: post #17

I would love to see some EU legislation about car dashboards. As an occasional driver of many different brands and types of vehicles, I continue to be amazed at the usability crimes being committed in the name of 'looking cool' (stated reason) as well as 'cost savings' (most likely the real reason). Any function that needs to be invoked or setting that needs to be changed by a reasonable person while driving should h…

In the Tesla FSD video[0] the driver spent a lot of time swiping back and forth on the map. If that touchscreen were an iPad, that behaviour would be illegal in the UK. I don't know what the road law is in the US, and if they sell the same Tesla model in the UK. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34268454

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Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by ajross »

cal85 wrote: post #105
ajross wrote: post #75

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What's the proper control to use for interacting with a navigation aid in the UK? Or are you saying that UK law forbids in-car maps? These arguments always end up in this kind of hyper-specific realm where they seem to apply only to Tesla's particular design choices. But, in car maps are everywhere now (and, yes, Tesla's implementation is by far the best), and the natural way you use them is with touch. They absolute…

> They absolutely make finding your way around [...] safer How so? Not disputing, just curious what you mean.

Getting lost and staring at a map is vaguely dangerous. Having a map that gets you a clear answer faster is safer. This really doesn't seem controversial to me, it only seems so in this thread because "Tesla".

If you frame it in other ways, it seems more obvious. Is anyone demanding that FedEx drivers or Doordashers use paper maps? Should your Uber driver pull over every time the route changes?

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by phpisthebest »

wolrah wrote: post #183
phpisthebest wrote: post #121

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You do know that Touch Screen got included in Cars due to government regulations right? The government mandated Backup Camera's and once you had to put in a screen to serve as display for the backup camera then it only makes since to use that screen for more and more things This is yet another unintended consequence of government regulations, where by now people want to use government regulation to "fix" the problems…

> You do know that Touch Screen got included in Cars due to government regulations right? The government mandated Backup Camera's and once you had to put in a screen to serve as display for the backup camera then it only makes since to use that screen for more and more things Backup cameras were mandated in the US in 2018. Almost every vehicle on the market had a touchscreen years before that. The few vehicles I can…

>>Tesla does not want to have these controls, the only reason they have them is because regulation forces them to. Tell me again how the big bad government is ruining Tesla's freedom to do the stupidest things

You think the stupidest thing, I am not anti-touch screen like most here are. In-fact I replaced alot of the factory buttons in my older car with a Aftermarket Large display that is basically a huge android tablet that controls alot of the car functions (including HVAC)

I prefer touch controls.

Why the government preventing me from choosing the control I like the best, and then you can feel free to not buy a car that does not have physical controls.

That is the market. that is how it should be.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by causality0 »

PreInternet01 wrote: post #57
misnome wrote: post #30

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When we bought our last car we specifically avoided touchscreen-heavy interfaces. Worst we looked at was Peugeot, which not only had framerate stuttering _on the actual digital dashboard_, the radio turned on loud for us and although the digital volume button was large, you couldn’t just hold it down - you needed to repeatedly tap/lift/tap/lift/… to move it more than just one volume notch. We bought a (non-peugeot) c…

Oh, thank you for mentioning digital dashboards, I completely forgot about those! So, in addition to mandatory physical controls for common functions, my imaginary EU legislation would also prescribe that all essential vehicle information (speed, outside light status, fuel level) has a physical representation (lights, dials, etc., in the sense that there is nothing that could be described as 'software' driving these…

I cannot imagine how anybody can stand the constantly changing value of a digital speedometer as it flickers around whatever your intended speed is. Give me a needle any day.

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by hbogert »

I have a VW Id.3. it's not just touchscreen interfaces. It's the haptic less buttons as well. Ridiculous design choices. They at least backtraced on the steering wheel buttons which in fact were haptic feedback, but it was a god awful implementations

Re: Study finds that buttons in cars are safer and quicker to use than touchscreens

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Post by croes »

karmelapple wrote: post #177

As a junior systems engineer, I thought touchscreens and iPhone-like animations would be really neat, and give pilots more context, for helicopter GUIs. My senior human factors engineer told me no way. I begrudgingly agreed. Then I tried riding in a helicopter. Oh my gosh my eyes were opened. Real buttons. No animation. Everything else is vibrating and busy enough already. Human factors engineers working on airplanes…

Touchscreens always require eye contact, knobs don't.

Ever used a remote control with touchscreen instead of buttons?

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