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Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I'm an employer. Quick background: We're a small Django consultancy/web app development company based in the UK. 7 people, all remote, split as three developers, one frontend dev, one designer, one sales, one administrator. I'm a developer/managing director. Our experience with remote working has been largely very positive. - It keeps our overheads very low. I think that when we remove our staff wage bill, our operat…

"- I think it's easy to 'hide' from the team if a developer is having a problem (either with their code, or their motivation). It's easy to coast through an unproductive day and there is often a delay in the other team members realising that a project is falling behind schedule." I understand the code part of this problem. I think it's good to have a set estimate on how long the item should take so that as soon as yo…

I have to disclose I am a remote worker for JonAtkinson.

I believe set estimates are not the best way to approach this problem because how do you estimate it? If you are in new territory then what seems trivial to one person may require some research and extra understanding by another. Also when you set a deadline it becomes more of a target for the individual action and instills a time wasting mentality.

It's especially difficult when a new employer enters the company as they feel under pressure that this is the expected deadline. One of the most helpful things Jon has done to elevate this situation when it arises is allow honest conversations without any fear which come from I guess a personal understanding/experience.

I also don't believe this problem is specific to remote working, it's simply a managerial problem within the industry as I am willing to openly admit this (having a problem and not speaking up) also happened at my previous job but the openness didn't exist hence a lot of dodging and ducking was performed until the task at hand was accomplished.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I'm an employer. Quick background: We're a small Django consultancy/web app development company based in the UK. 7 people, all remote, split as three developers, one frontend dev, one designer, one sales, one administrator. I'm a developer/managing director. Our experience with remote working has been largely very positive. - It keeps our overheads very low. I think that when we remove our staff wage bill, our operat…

How do you solve legal issues? If you don't have any contract with your employees, what if they contact personally your consumers and the work personally done?

I have visited the countries where our employees are, registered our startup there and made a non-compete contract ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause )with them. But this costs me time and money.

If you don't have any agreements with them, how do you manage your works and where/how do you find good employees over internet?

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I work remotely as a freelancer and my experience has been nothing but awesome. I'm from the CET timezone and the people I usually work with are either in PST or EST so there's a 6 to 8 hour time difference. Here are some of the benefits I've observed: - I'm a night owl, so I can directly communicate with the people paying me - even though I like long mornings, I still have at least 5 hours to work before employers w…

> * (locally I've been smashed into teams still on svn ... on new projects)* Completely off topic, but: is this necessarily bad? Does the world stop when there's a centralized source control server? I'm in an environment too where people are sometimes reluctant to move to newer, better software (svn is an example, our bug tracker sucks too), simply because of the learning curve / overhead involved. I started out by b…

I can't talk for TDD, BDD, MDSD. But after working with git/hg on all my projects for half a year, I'd flat out refuse to work on anything that used SVN now.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I'm an employer. Quick background: We're a small Django consultancy/web app development company based in the UK. 7 people, all remote, split as three developers, one frontend dev, one designer, one sales, one administrator. I'm a developer/managing director. Our experience with remote working has been largely very positive. - It keeps our overheads very low. I think that when we remove our staff wage bill, our operat…

How do you solve legal issues? If you don't have any contract with your employees, what if they contact personally your consumers and the work personally done? I have visited the countries where our employees are, registered our startup there and made a non-compete contract ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause )with them. But this costs me time and money. If you don't have any agreements with them, how d…

I should probably clarify; with one exception, all of our current team are salaried employees of our limited company, and we pay their NI etc. Our contracts have the usual non-compete for 12 months after ending employment stuff in there, but so far no-one has left the company, so we haven't had to deal with anything like that yet.

Finding workers hasn't been a problem to date, as we have generally grown organically, and most people have freelanced with us before they became employees, or we have worked with them in some capacity before we started the company. I think it's more accurate to say that while our team is geographically distributed, we share a really close social network. I did a really quick blog post about this last week:

http://jonatkinson.co.uk/talent-spotting/

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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A couple of years ago, I was working for a very bureaucratic company in a low-walled cube, being forced to ignore unpleasant distractions around me, and I hated the commute. I was one of their more productive developers, so I asked them to let me work from home. They sort of went for it: they agreed to two days in the office, three at home. I really enjoyed those three days at home, and I was way more productive. I eventually had to quit that place, because it just got too horrible, but I've been trying to get another remote job ever since. In the last few months, I finally succeeded.

I got myself hooked up with a contracting company. They find iOS jobs for me to do, then subcontract my time to other companies. And I get to work from home 100 percent. I had to take a severe pay cut to make it happen, but for me, it's worth it.

I enjoy that I can make a better environment for myself than any office I've ever worked in. I have lots of space, a window, a door that closes, and a huge Apple monitor. A whole bunch of quality-of-life things I couldn't ever convince employers to give me. I can take an hour off here or there to take a nap or walk the dog. And there's no commute. Eventually, I can move somewhere cheap, to make the most of my income. This is the life for me.

I admit that there are inherent communication problems. As other people have mentioned, you have to be a fiercely determined self-starter to make this work. But looking back on it now, the stuff typical employers expect you to go through -- for me, there is no comparison. You'll have to pry my remote job from my cold, dead fingers.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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Remote employee here: Been that way since I started out of college about a year and a half ago. The majority of the developers, client support and analysts for my company are remote. Probably 50~ people. The founder, as far as I can tell wanted this kind of environment when he started it, so remote communication has been built into the work flow. We have an internal Jabber sever and IP phones. Any collaboration is done through that. We also have our own ticket/project management software.

It has been a completely positive experience for me, but as others have mentioned it takes a large amount of discipline. It is really easy to get distracted and basically lose a day.

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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Freelance translator here. 4 years working at home in a few countries for companies around Europe.

. Perhaps it is largely personality based, but I've always enjoyed it. Deadlines keep me on track and side-projects fill the spare working capacity. So work does get done and, as others have said, more besides.

. Productivity is not a problem, especially when you learn to down-tools when you feel you need to, rather than waiting for your set break times. You'll probably find yourself working more efficiently.

. Socially you do need to adjust, and make the most of opportunities to meet other freelancers/people where possible. I initially missed the office banter, but less so with time. As with most things, if you accept it will be different and don't resist that, it should be easier.

. As mentioned elsewhere, those around you at home will indeed sometimes forget that your body and mind are often separated (i.e. body at home, mind at work). Prepare to have many thought-bubbles burst, unless you have a good home-office solution. A semi-hack for this problem is to simply take more notes.

. Energy wise, if you care, I've seen studies for and against the savings made by remote working. Heating 25 whole houses in winter compared to a single office, for instance, doesn't guarantee an energy reduction. But then there would be 25 times less CO2 emissions. Swings and roundabouts. Never really been a key issue for me, but perhaps worth consideration.

I'm now moving into a more involved 'startup-style' phase this year, with no deadlines to keep me on track and no team around me I'm going to have to adapt to a new style of remote working. Tips welcome!

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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I'm an employer. Quick background: We're a small Django consultancy/web app development company based in the UK. 7 people, all remote, split as three developers, one frontend dev, one designer, one sales, one administrator. I'm a developer/managing director. Our experience with remote working has been largely very positive. - It keeps our overheads very low. I think that when we remove our staff wage bill, our operat…

I would like to note that I've worked both remotely and on-site and that hiding a lack of motivation or results from the team is not a remote-only problem. It does sneak up on you a little easier if you're remote, but we all know That Guy that looks really productive until you realize he's been playing Minesweeper for three months. (Not making that one up - in his defense, Minesweeper was new and exciting at the time...)

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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post #47

Freelance translator here. 4 years working at home in a few countries for companies around Europe. . Perhaps it is largely personality based, but I've always enjoyed it. Deadlines keep me on track and side-projects fill the spare working capacity. So work does get done and, as others have said, more besides. . Productivity is not a problem, especially when you learn to down-tools when you feel you need to, rather tha…

Now wait - I'm a freelance translator, too, so naturally I am curious to know how you're avoiding deadlines...

Re: Ask HN: What's your experience with remote working? as employees/employers?

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post #2

I work remotely as a freelancer and my experience has been nothing but awesome. I'm from the CET timezone and the people I usually work with are either in PST or EST so there's a 6 to 8 hour time difference. Here are some of the benefits I've observed: - I'm a night owl, so I can directly communicate with the people paying me - even though I like long mornings, I still have at least 5 hours to work before employers w…

> * (locally I've been smashed into teams still on svn ... on new projects)* Completely off topic, but: is this necessarily bad? Does the world stop when there's a centralized source control server? I'm in an environment too where people are sometimes reluctant to move to newer, better software (svn is an example, our bug tracker sucks too), simply because of the learning curve / overhead involved. I started out by b…

I find the use of SVN to be a good predictor for a place using the waterfall model and calling it "agile", not using TDD and so on.

It's my "one wrong candy" clause if you will. (can't find the article right now, but some bands make one insane request for their backstage that can be instantly checked, when it isn't perfect, they know to check through the whole list of the stage setup and so on, otherwise people literally die when something breaks)

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