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Re: Show HN: I spent 2 years building Tablane as a 17-year-old

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I've seen a lot of discussion about my choice of looking for a job directly after Highschool. Reasons against college - I recently visited a College Conference and wans't really impressed by any of them, mainly because their presented curriculum where basic js, css, html, react, easy leetcode algorithms which I already know - I don't really happy with my current position in School, where I sit and listen to the teach…

> move to the US where Waterloo University would be 100k a year for non-us-citizen That sounds like a terrible idea, to be fair. (And you don't mean University of Waterloo in Canada?). Isn't University free in Germany? > mainly because their presented curriculum where basic js, css, html, react, easy leetcode algorithms Maybe, but are you sure they aren't teaching engineering ethics, digital logic, discrete algebra,…

> That sounds like a terrible idea, to be fair. (And you don't mean University of Waterloo in Canada?). Isn't University free in Germany?

U of Waterloo co-op program is basically a guaranteed FAANG tier job on graduation if you have any talent, which Marcus obviously has a great deal of. I have never, not once, regretted hiring a Waterloo CS grad. They have an exceptional program.

I got my first programming job at 19 (I started interviewing at 18), and the job description required at least 3 years of experience. I got an interview loop on the basis of sharing the source for some hobby programming I did. From there it was mine to lose. You have a hobby program that is impressing a number of industry professionals already, so if you want to pursue that route I assure you that with perseverance you will get a fulltime position. Whether or not it's wise for you to do so I prefer not to advise you on. I can only say that I "withdrew" from college to work and haven't regretted it since. But those were different times and different circumstances so I have no idea if that's a good idea or not now. And for what it's worth I also have a very high opinion of the mathematically rigorous approach to CS that at least used to be de rigueur at continental universities. So if those programs are still as good as they used to be you might want to consider that too.

With regard to getting that first job: unless you do a co-op program like Waterloo, there is basically no way to get an intro job without not actually meeting the experience requirements. You never see listings saying "No experience necessary!"

Re: Show HN: I spent 2 years building Tablane as a 17-year-old

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Very impressive! You should definitely have some sort of paid tier! The demo on the homepage is great. btw, minor bug, it's not possible to back out of the login page :p

Thanks, I am planning to use the posthog / calcom business model, by making an awesome product which is free to use. But charge money for enterprise features or support.

I created an issue for that bug: https://github.com/Tablane/tablane/issues/15

Re: Show HN: I spent 2 years building Tablane as a 17-year-old

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I had a nontraditional background, and was labeled as a gifted kid. At your age, my dad and I were trying to get a software company off the ground, based around products I had created. That was a mixed experience - I learned a lot from it, but it was pretty stressful. At age 22 I decided to go to grad school (not having gotten my undergrad degree btw) and that turned out to be the right decision.

I'm not saying what to do, that's your decision. But I do very strongly recommend watching Bryan Cantrill's talk "Coming of Age"[1]. It goes into considerable detail about the different strengths and weaknesses people have at different ages, and how to make the best of that.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzdVSMRu16g

Re: Show HN: I spent 2 years building Tablane as a 17-year-old

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add to your great points, if OP ever decides to immigrate elsewhere (not even talking about the US specifically, but pretty much anywhere outside of the EU), attempting it without a college degree can range somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible. Yes, even for high-earning fields like software development. Unless there are strong reasons not to do college, I would recommend to not skip it. Disclaimer…

Just my experience, but I'm not sure how much a degree matters in UK after you have a few years experience. The exception probably being 'big companies' and (obviously) graduate schemes. I guess getting your food in a door somewhere (if you have no other way, and no experience) - a degree will probably help. All that said, I really grew up at university. I loved it. It was great fun, great to expand your social circl…

A lot, if you're trying to get a visa.

Re: Show HN: I spent 2 years building Tablane as a 17-year-old

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Hey Marcus! Super cool to see another fellow Minecraft-jumpstarted developer. I got into programming way back in 2013 with Minecraft mods and then Bukkit/Spigot plugins. > I decided to look for open Developer positions, to work with a team of experienced developers so I can learn even faster. Seeing as you're in Europe and not in the U.S. (with exorbitant tuition costs), I would actually recommend against skipping ou…

Another one here :) I got really into programing and sysadmin because of Minecraft, I had dabbled before but running a server was a great way to learn a lot of things in a fun way. Linux, networking, security, Web dev, then writing plugins for for hMod/bukkit some java, CI/CD, and a door into the world of open-source. I also met many knowledgeable people through the game that helped me out a lot.

I ended up starting to work in software for cash before I finished high school, and I'm still a dev that loves the stuff, 13 years later. Makes me happy to see so many people with a similar story.

That said, I did eventually go to college and I don't regret a thing. I met so many people, and did so many things I wouldn't have done otherwise, and it made me a better professional. The corporate world can be very oppressing and unforgiving. I wouldn't miss university, having the chance, and you can still freelance while you're there too!

Re: Show HN: I spent 2 years building Tablane as a 17-year-old

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Hey Marcus! Super cool to see another fellow Minecraft-jumpstarted developer. I got into programming way back in 2013 with Minecraft mods and then Bukkit/Spigot plugins. > I decided to look for open Developer positions, to work with a team of experienced developers so I can learn even faster. Seeing as you're in Europe and not in the U.S. (with exorbitant tuition costs), I would actually recommend against skipping ou…

If you want to work for a couple of years, do it! College doesn't go away, it can wait.

Given the market and his skills, college will never come. He’ll just get into and immersed in the industry and forget about College. The idea of college will only hit later.

Realistically, however, college is only important if you are planning to leave your own country; or get involved in a very bureaucratic/hierarchical company. Since he is from Germany (which has a quite powerful passport), college will only be important if he wants to immigrate later to the US.

Re: Show HN: I spent 2 years building Tablane as a 17-year-old

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Nice work! I’d also like to chime in and advise against skipping college.

Like you, I learned to program on my own through primary and middle school but it wasn’t making me any money when I started Uni. Starting Uni allowed me to get a government loan (with near zero interest rates) that made my life a lot easier so I did. In the first year, one of my ventures took off and I was making decent money, more than I would at the jobs Uni was preparing me for.

I spent the next few years only doing the bare minimum for Uni and focusing on my startup instead, but looking back it was the best time of my life. Great social life, meeting lots of new people, discovering and learning about myself, lots of free time. I’ve finished Uni 10 years ago but damn do I miss that time.

Work life is long, be patient!

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