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Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

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Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

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So, what, am I supposed to get my butler to lift the weights up for me so that I can just lower them back down?

There's a physiology lab that built out machines for negative-only exercise -> https://news.drgator.ufl.edu/2010/02/24/the-negator-muscle-b...

Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

#22

So, what, am I supposed to get my butler to lift the weights up for me so that I can just lower them back down?

I had a personal training for a while and he would mix in what he would call "negatives" that were exactly that. For example, we'd set up in a bench press and he'd assist in lifting the bar up, then it was on me to slowly lower it back down. According to him, you're able to use your strength more effectively going down, so I was actually able to do more than I could normally bench this way. Similar story with concentration curls.

Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

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So, what, am I supposed to get my butler to lift the weights up for me so that I can just lower them back down?

As the article says, feel free to use two hands to raise the weight, but only one to lower it.

This sounds like a very quick way to gain an injury. I've usually had negative experiences with doing things in this manner.

Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

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I find Japanese society to be adverse to weight training in general, weight lifting (Olympic) is almost exclusively practiced in college only. Women are on average afraid they will be seen as too masculine / strong so wouldn't touch weights.

Things are certainly changing thanks to cross fit becoming cool

Given all that, I find it interesting this study is partyl published from researchers based in Japan :) It's almost like it's their "opinion".

Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the burden on that working body half 2x then?

It would be the same burden. You're still using the same dumbbell, you're just working one arm at a time instead of two.

While it's the same amount of mass, the distribution of force on your body will change as will the muscles engaged etc. no?

Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

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> The team, which also included researchers from Niigata University and Nishi Kyushu University in Japan and Brazil’s Londrina State University, had groups of people perform three different types of dumbbell curl exercise and measured the results. First of all, I've been lifting for many years and I haven't done dumbbell curls in a decade. And to be honest, you probably shouldn't be doing isolation exercises unless y…

I don't think your arguments are a fair critique of this study:

> First of all, I've been lifting for many years and I haven't done dumbbell curls in a decade.

The study authors aren't arguing that dumbbell curls should be the center of your workout. And they are are presumably using an isolation exercise because it is more straightforward to test improvements to strength when you are just examining the effect on a single muscle group.

> >It found those who only lowered a weight saw the same improvements as those who raised and lowered weights — despite only performing half the number of repetitions.

> No shit. That's because eccentric exercises are far more fatiguing for the muscles.

It is a giant pet peeve of mine when scientists run a diligent study and then the response is "No shit, that's common sense" with the audacity to call it "junk science." Putting actual data and numbers behind a "common sense" belief is what science is all about - it is not "junk science".

I think there are other fair critiques about the applicability of this study (for example, another commenter mentioned that they were dealing solely with untrained individuals), but the fact that they used dumbbell curls isn't one of them.

Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

#27

So, what, am I supposed to get my butler to lift the weights up for me so that I can just lower them back down?

what I got always told is to have to do the eccentric part of the exercise longer than the concentric one. helps

Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

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This article is a perfect example of 1. An academic publishes an extremely limited study, group size is 14 people that haven't exercised much, they do a single exercise, and they mention eccentric-only is particularly useful for rehabilitation. They make no outrageous claims whatsoever, they just put more numbers to something that is widely known and has been measured before. 2. Some popular news outlet wants to get…

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Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

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> The team, which also included researchers from Niigata University and Nishi Kyushu University in Japan and Brazil’s Londrina State University, had groups of people perform three different types of dumbbell curl exercise and measured the results. First of all, I've been lifting for many years and I haven't done dumbbell curls in a decade. And to be honest, you probably shouldn't be doing isolation exercises unless y…

I don't think your arguments are a fair critique of this study: > First of all, I've been lifting for many years and I haven't done dumbbell curls in a decade. The study authors aren't arguing that dumbbell curls should be the center of your workout. And they are are presumably using an isolation exercise because it is more straightforward to test improvements to strength when you are just examining the effect on a s…

To me it has as much value as some study saying people who eat a servings of strawberries a week live longer after studying a handful of participants or something.

It's one data point, one among many. It won't significantly change my beliefs about anything, unless other studies start confirming its findings.

Re: Less gym time, same results: Why ‘lowering’ weights is all you need to do

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> The team, which also included researchers from Niigata University and Nishi Kyushu University in Japan and Brazil’s Londrina State University, had groups of people perform three different types of dumbbell curl exercise and measured the results. First of all, I've been lifting for many years and I haven't done dumbbell curls in a decade. And to be honest, you probably shouldn't be doing isolation exercises unless y…

I don't think your arguments are a fair critique of this study: > First of all, I've been lifting for many years and I haven't done dumbbell curls in a decade. The study authors aren't arguing that dumbbell curls should be the center of your workout. And they are are presumably using an isolation exercise because it is more straightforward to test improvements to strength when you are just examining the effect on a s…

I would also add that some of his arguments are just wrong?

> you probably shouldn't be doing isolation exercises unless you don't mind risking injury and joint inflammation in the long-term

I have never heard of anyone getting injured from dumbbell curls or lateral raises, but everyone I know has tweaked something from a momentary lapse of form in compound movements. Turns out moving 400lb+ pounds close to your limit regularly isn't that safe.

> No one serious uses a "leg press" - another injury-prone nightmare

I know both serious powerlifters and "serious" (non competitive) bodybuilders that use leg press as an accessory on leg days. Stability provided by machines just let you lift more weight.

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