I am one of those few who loves ads. Some banners catch my attention to the point that I start analyzing the design and marketing choices made by their creators. I save the most outstanding banners to my hard drive to enjoy them later. Is this a full-blown pathology or just an eccentric kink? Who knows, but the presented sarcastic article resonates with me. Needless to say, I watch hours of YouTube videos full of ads…
Please Sell My Personal Information
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you love targeted pricing too? Like user X is more likely to buy product Y so make the price +10%. It’s a good thing that targeted pricing is illegal in many places, but oh wait, there’s an AI pricing layer which cannot be reverse engineered so evidence of price targeting can’t be found. The problem with user data is it lasts forever, and as the political and technological environment further shifts into "profit-f…
> there’s an AI pricing layer which cannot be reverse engineered so evidence of price targeting can’t be found Is this strictly true? Couldn't we can audit the model's parameters for things analogous to the user's economic status?
The bigger issue here is that some seemingly unrelated factors and their combinations (postal code, time being active during the day, even the vocabulary used in social communication) could be predictive for the user’s economic status.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is that your personal information doesn't just subject you to targeted ads. It also makes you vulnerable to propaganda, behavioral modification, and all sorts of psychological manipulation. Advertisers have known this for decades, and the internet has given them the perfect delivery method. While you can't be entirely invisible online, you can certainly make things more difficult for adtech by changing some…
Isn't the root issue here "propaganda" in ads? If so, should we focus on banning that? Otherwise, if an ad is straight facts, even if it's making a specific argument based on your personality, is that intrinsically bad? Is it bad that we are exposed to convincing counter-arguments? Shouldn't we occasionally re-exam our beliefs, especially in light of new information? More philosophically, should we, as free-willed pe…
How would you determine this? Distinguishing fact from opinion is impossibly difficult, just ask social media companies.
Besides, ads are supposed to be manipulative, otherwise they wouldn't be nearly as effective. Taken to its extreme, and with the capabilities of adtech, it's no wonder they're used for propaganda, to influence elections, etc. None of this spreads "new information" meant to educate people, but mostly falsehoods with a specific agenda from anyone willing to pay for it.
In addition to being impossible to determine what constitutes as propaganda or not, fact-checking ads would go against their whole purpose, against all the "progress" the advertising industry has made in the past century, and would crumble the current adtech giants. Hell freezing over has better chances of happening.
> More philosophically, should we, as free-willed people, be prevented from seeing "untruths"?
If those "untruths" are used to psychologically manipulate people to get them to buy, vote or think a certain way, then I'd argue that they're doing a net harm to society, and should be heavily regulated.
We can't control and fact-check speech, but we can limit its spread. What the internet has allowed is an unprecedented way of spreading information, and we can certainly control that. The difficult thing is again, determining what is "harmful" or not.
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#64I am one of those few who loves ads. Some banners catch my attention to the point that I start analyzing the design and marketing choices made by their creators. I save the most outstanding banners to my hard drive to enjoy them later. Is this a full-blown pathology or just an eccentric kink? Who knows, but the presented sarcastic article resonates with me. Needless to say, I watch hours of YouTube videos full of ads…
I'm just not sure if I want the tracking and targeting. But context sensitivity is entirely fine. If I were on the site talking about sausages, meat grinder adds for example would be entirely appropriate.
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#65In this context, "my personal information" really means "Your records of my interactions with your company", right?
They mention credit history, so lets take financial records as an example. Technically the complete list of things you have purchased is a record of interactions with your bank, but I think it's incredibly privacy violating for a bank to sell infomation about what products I buy. Technically the docs to prepare a tax return is a now a record of an interaction with turbotax, but I don't think Intuit should be able to…
Isn't it in almost every bank's ToS that they are not only allowed to do this, but expected to do this?
TBH, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about Intuit selling my financial data, either.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is that your personal information doesn't just subject you to targeted ads. It also makes you vulnerable to propaganda, behavioral modification, and all sorts of psychological manipulation. Advertisers have known this for decades, and the internet has given them the perfect delivery method. While you can't be entirely invisible online, you can certainly make things more difficult for adtech by changing some…
Isn't the root issue here "propaganda" in ads? If so, should we focus on banning that? Otherwise, if an ad is straight facts, even if it's making a specific argument based on your personality, is that intrinsically bad? Is it bad that we are exposed to convincing counter-arguments? Shouldn't we occasionally re-exam our beliefs, especially in light of new information? More philosophically, should we, as free-willed pe…
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#67I cannot believe we are still in this ridiculous situation with these dreadful cookie approvals on Every. Single. Page. How did we let Europe do this to us?
Why are you upset about web pages asking if they can track you, and not upset about the fact that web sites WANT to track you? I mean, ostensibly, it really is the latter that upsets you, but then I question why you're blaming Europe.
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#69I wonder, how much my personal information is actually worth? The stuff you have at least? And if I were to approve it for the sale, what would be my cut of that value be? As surely I deserve it?
it's worth $5.21: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34279700
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not tech specific, this is the world we live in. It is built on ignorance. - It is the steak I ate at dinner. - It is the AC I turned up in summer. - It is the car I drive etc.
Society does indeed effectively force us to participate in a number of immoral systems and choices but the ones you listed are not equivalent to voluntarily choosing a job whose fundamental basis is deceiving people into violating their privacy for your personal gain.