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Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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I know I'm reiterating what others have said, but a STRONG +1 to the folks who are advocating for a Yamaha P-515. I bought one a year or two ago, and it sounds amazing, has great feel, is sturdy, but light enough to move.

Get the hardware as others are saying.

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Finally, an internet connected piano. I can't wait until I get prompted to install updates while playing, have to pay a subscription fee to use the sustain pedal, and have the instrument become non-functional 15 years after purchase once the manufacturer finds the service is no longer profitable and decommissions its server.

Moonlight sonata interrupted by the windows crash sound or a message notification beep.

I’d be more worried about a copyright claim.

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Kawai makes quite nice digital pianos. The CA95 that we bought about 5 years ago has real wooden hammer action and a wooden soundboard. It also reproduces the harmonics (through digital samples) that you get when you hold the sustain pedal down and play a different string (resonant frequencies can vibrate other strings that you haven't played). I highly recommend them if you are considering a digital piano.

You can get this feature at their lowest end model of that series (CA49), though it may lack some other aspects of the resonance modeling that they reserve for higher end models. I believe almost all digitals starting at $2000 across the board have this feature, and the limiting factor that'll hold you back from hearing it all at the lower end of the price range is the audio setup that comes with the keyboard. I reme…

That's the term I was looking for: resonance modeling. When you hear it in action you realize why most digital pianos sound so terrible. A quality digital or virtual piano models all the resonant frequencies and is a joy to listen to.

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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My point isn't a dig at their quality (which is excellent) but at their lack of technological innovation for the last ~20 years. Their products are very good, they're just extremely risk averse and resting on a reputation they earned in the 1980s.

Ok, but why do they need to be exciting and innovative? I would almost rather they didn't, lest the company pivot into something of the sort and eventually abandon their existing product line. Besides, a lot of "innovation" in the music space seems to be about how many different ways we can bolt on cloud functionality

Roland says that they're exciting and innovate in their marketing materials, but most of their potential buyers don't find them to be so in recent years.

This PR exercise is not about how Roland is sticking to its proud tradition of timeless, handmade craftsmanship, but about how they are so cool and pushing the technological envelope. The market reaction might be summed up as 'amused skepticism' eg https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2023/01/06/roland-creates...

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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Yep - https://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2986123/n... You could go Kawai VPC-1 which is just the controller, and then connect it via MIDI to whatever you like. That way, you get a wooden action without paying for the sound engine (I've got my VCP-1 connected to a CP Reface): https://kawaius.com/technology/wooden-key-actions/

The Reface CP is amazing isn't it! I looked up the VPC-1 and while I probably would pay a bit more just to have speakers and a sound engine - the weight difference is interesting. It's 29.5kg for the VPC-1 vs. 17.0kg for the ES920!

The VPC-1's weight is, from what I can tell, reasonable given the action it uses. Its bizarrely named "RM3II action" is much closer to the Grand Feel action they put in their high-end digital uprights than to normal portable digital piano actions. Also, the ES920 is significantly lighter than its competitors.

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep - https://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2986123/n... You could go Kawai VPC-1 which is just the controller, and then connect it via MIDI to whatever you like. That way, you get a wooden action without paying for the sound engine (I've got my VCP-1 connected to a CP Reface): https://kawaius.com/technology/wooden-key-actions/

The Reface CP is amazing isn't it! I looked up the VPC-1 and while I probably would pay a bit more just to have speakers and a sound engine - the weight difference is interesting. It's 29.5kg for the VPC-1 vs. 17.0kg for the ES920!

To be honest, the CP is really nice. There's also a hidden piano if you move the knob in between two values and then power cycle :)

Re: Roland’s 50th Anniversary Concept Piano

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Reface CP is amazing isn't it! I looked up the VPC-1 and while I probably would pay a bit more just to have speakers and a sound engine - the weight difference is interesting. It's 29.5kg for the VPC-1 vs. 17.0kg for the ES920!

The VPC-1's weight is, from what I can tell, reasonable given the action it uses. Its bizarrely named "RM3II action" is much closer to the Grand Feel action they put in their high-end digital uprights than to normal portable digital piano actions. Also, the ES920 is significantly lighter than its competitors.

yeah, it's heavy. I had it on my desk, and the desk started buckling so it's now on a stand
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