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Stripe is about to refund €147k worth of payments to my all of my customers

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Re: Stripe is about to refund €147k worth of payments to my all of my customers

#81

Why is this forum becoming a stripe help desk? It hasn't been long since the last "help needed" ticket here.

Because in the past it worked and because companies respond to public pressure, and finally because the Stripe founders are long time HN members.

Re: Stripe is about to refund €147k worth of payments to my all of my customers

#82
>Obviously we also have tracking numbers to prove that literally every succeeded payment from account 1 have received their products, and we have submitted this to Stripe as well.

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So does this mean that any of your customers complained that they have not received what they paid for?

Re: Stripe is about to refund €147k worth of payments to my all of my customers

#83
Talk to a lawyer asap. Also, do your best to resolve the situation with Stripe in a non-confrontational way (people don't like to cooperate with belligerents even when becoming one would be justified).

My bank provider chose to terminate my business's account for a BS reason. No interest in resolving or discussing the situation in any way. Enjoy uprooting everything: find new banking services, change your accounting, all integrations, card payments, invoicing, account history, backups etc. etc. Ultimately I figured it out and it's nothing close to your scale, but for an independent contractor this would threaten their entire livelihood.

Financial institutions want to steer clear of all regulation and be extra cautious with KYC and fraud. They will always take their own side over their customers. There's inevitably a segment of false positives to be flagged as liabilities.

These companies can ultimately ruin your businesses and your product, due to malice (rare) or incompetence (less rare). Always have redundancies, where possible.

Re: Stripe is about to refund €147k worth of payments to my all of my customers

#84

Why the Stripe have be to the good guy and regulate everything consumer do? can't Stripe be a payment processor only?

It's 'Stripe', and they have to follow the law as well as the rules set by the various payment methods that they allow people to use or else Stripe itself will go out of business. If you want more freedom you should simply get your own merchant account and use one of the gateways. This comes at a cost, you will need to be PCI/DSS certified and likely ISO27001 certified. Neither of these is particularly cheap or easy so it will take a certain minimum level of processing before this becomes a viable option.

Re: Stripe is about to refund €147k worth of payments to my all of my customers

#86

Dear posters of these HN support threads, would you please also provide links to your stores/websites? At least hundreds of thousands people reading these threads every other day would know that the businesses are in fact legitimate, and Stripe is wrong. All these anonymous posts might as well be competitor's marketing strategy. I know that maybe in Stripe's case it might be all true, but where are we going with all…

If you're running a legitimate business, with a loss like this, can you even afford to advertise to current and future customers that your banking services provider investigated you and concluded your business is fraudulent, that you're facing a giant financial loss, a freeze affecting customer-facing services such as payments and refunds, and you might go under soon?

Companies in distress due to mistreatment by a financial services provider should be able to get the support they need without having to face the additional problems of a permanent stain on their public reputation that may not be their fault at all.

Re: Stripe is about to refund €147k worth of payments to my all of my customers

#87

Out of curiosity, can you be more specific about what you sell? Consumer electronics like vapes or consumer electronics like Alibaba hoverboards or consumer electronics like a quality, entry level set of computer speakers? Stripe seems to be pretty sensitive towards certain industries and I'd like to see if this holds true here.

I cannot be super specific due to the nature of business strategy. If I share accurate info about what and how we sell things, It's very easy for opportunists and competitors to undertake us in this specific project while our processing solution is down temporarily. What I will say though, is that we're not speaking vapes or anything borderline, more like kitchen and household appliances, and so on.

> It's very easy for opportunists and competitors to undertake us

This is nonsense, sorry. It really sounds like you're selling something Stripe would understandably want nothing to do with.

Re: Stripe is about to refund €147k worth of payments to my all of my customers

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've sent out products to all the customers that have paid. Stripe is now "considering" refunding all these customers, while holding 150k of our generated revenue. Due to the products being bought and shipped, (and not even factoring in marketing costs) this easily equates to a total net loss of 250k for our business.

That's not how you count a loss. Your loss is the product you bought (not sold) and the time and effort spent on sending it, as well as possible marketing expense to get it sold. You don't recognize the revenue until the money is in the bank, especially not if you have a dispute with your payment service provider otherwise you are creating yet another problem for yourself, the taxman will want his due even though you…

They were paid, Stripe has just frozen the funds and apparently intends to refund the lot.

Re: Stripe is about to refund €147k worth of payments to my all of my customers

#90

Out of curiosity, can you be more specific about what you sell? Consumer electronics like vapes or consumer electronics like Alibaba hoverboards or consumer electronics like a quality, entry level set of computer speakers? Stripe seems to be pretty sensitive towards certain industries and I'd like to see if this holds true here.

I cannot be super specific due to the nature of business strategy. If I share accurate info about what and how we sell things, It's very easy for opportunists and competitors to undertake us in this specific project while our processing solution is down temporarily. What I will say though, is that we're not speaking vapes or anything borderline, more like kitchen and household appliances, and so on.

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