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Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

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Post by fundad » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 5:01 AM UTC

haberman wrote: post #177

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #111

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I should mention I am referring specifically to police in the United States. The short answer is because cops defend cops, including bad cops. People like to say it's just a few bad apples, but it's far more prevalent than that. And even if it were just 1 in 100, the fact that the cops band together to protect a rapist/murderer/whatever shows that they care more about unity than morals. I realize this answer is lacki…

> The short answer is because cops defend cops, including bad cops. Show me a group that doesn't do this. In Seattle's 2020 cop-free zone CHOP/CHAZ, the self-appointed "security forces" killed an unarmed 16-year-old. It's all on video, and the statements made by the assailants in the aftermath are heinous. Plenty of people were there to see it, but nobody's talking, and at this point it looks like they'll probably ne…

I bet they put out a statement that he succumbed to a medical emergency and every other public safety institution believed them right? Right!?

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

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Post by haberman » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 5:51 AM UTC

fundad wrote: post #231

haberman wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The short answer is because cops defend cops, including bad cops. Show me a group that doesn't do this. In Seattle's 2020 cop-free zone CHOP/CHAZ, the self-appointed "security forces" killed an unarmed 16-year-old. It's all on video, and the statements made by the assailants in the aftermath are heinous. Plenty of people were there to see it, but nobody's talking, and at this point it looks like they'll probably ne…

I bet they put out a statement that he succumbed to a medical emergency and every other public safety institution believed them right? Right!?

Their statement glorified the shooting and bragged of the "beautiful shot placement." https://web.archive.org/web/20200630012725/https://twitter.c...

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

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Post by solarmist » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 9:26 AM UTC

watwut wrote: post #156

hardware2win wrote: post #31

I dont understand those bad experiences with HR here All hr stuff that ive been involved in was getting hired, questions about taxes, days off calculations and health provider related stuff Like... what happened to you?

Our company created HR and the result was surprisingly positive. The hiring process started to be way more organized - they made no decisions, but planned interviews, made sure they are when everyone is available and knows about them. They were also available to explain labor laws, regulations and process whenever leader/manager needed it. That alone made a lot of stuff more predictable. I was skeptical at first, but…

Well, yeah. That’s their job support management. HR is friends with management, until discrimination or labor laws some into play.

The cases where this is true for ICs pretty much stops after recruiting and onboarding.

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

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Post by laserdancepony » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 11:51 AM UTC

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #19

frellus wrote: post #10

I get the whole "HR can be evil" point, but this article could have also been, "Having friends in management is fine, but management is not your friend". Personally, I'm so sick of the cynicism in general. Can we make points and articles about protecting yourself, as an employee, without resorting to such things? As a manager in a company, I've both had friends in HR and also had HR been my friend. Need to fire that…

> Personally, I'm so sick of the cynicism in general. Personally, I'm so sick of there not being nearly enough cynicism in general. I've met cops that aren't total pieces of shit (who all ended up quitting in less than 5 years), but that doesn't mean cops aren't total pieces of shit. If the nature of the job is unethical, you should rightly call it out as such. HR's job is to pretend to be your friend while doing wha…

I disagree wholeheartedly. Calling one of the most foundational jobs in human civilization unethical is ridiculous.

We need people who enforce a standard set of rules onto every member of society, and yes, it will always corrupt some who wield that power. We are humans, after all. But does that make the whole idea "unethical"? I presume not.

I'd rather not live in anarchy.

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

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Post by amalcon » Fri, Jan 06, 2023, 7:38 PM UTC

patrec wrote: post #225

amalcon wrote: post #194

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Cynicism tends to go hand in hand with defeatism. I have no problem with cynicism, if you're the rare person willing to take steps to fix or mitigate the problems you are cynical about. In the more common case, it just leads to giving up. Cynicism is a mistake when it leads to inaction, and inaction is responsible for a lot (arguably most) of the world's problems. I've known people who didn't recycle because they wer…

It's so nice of you to grant people posthumous permission to have been cynical about Hitler's promises of peace or Nazi ideology in general, provided they were deeply committed to making Nazism actually awesome. You seem blind to the difference of being lazily cynical about something flawed but ultimately beneficial (and with flaws that you could help address) and seeing through cons dressed up in edifying language a…

Well that was a quick Godwin. If I wanted to, I could make a very strong case that cynicism was a factor that led to the rise of the Third Reich (I'd be paraphrasing a book I read some years ago). I'm not going to make that case because frankly the fact that you jumped right there is indicative that it's not a discussion worth having.