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The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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I'd explain why I think it's definitely one way more than the other but the ambiguity makes it much better.

>> the ambiguity makes it much better. What ambiguity? A pimp IS an entrepreneur! And in many cases here the investors are pimps - selling teams of people with questionable output to the public via IPO!

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Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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i think that , if land and materials were cheap, genz or genX or any gen would learn to build their own homes. We ve actually been doing that for thousands of years

We build houses differently now than years ago. 100 years ago, sure, you can totally make your own house because that used balloon framing. Today, with all the safety features built into a modern house, its a lot harder to take a few unskilled people and raise something up without it being a fire hazard.

I would dispute that. Modern framing and construction is not that difference than 100 years ago, and in many cases is even easier. Oh sure we don't make balloon frame houses now because they are a fire hazard, but the skills used to put a floor in before the second story wall is no different than putting up a 2 story wall and building the second floor onto that, might use a nail gun instead of a hammer because it is 10x faster for sheathing though. And things like plumbing and electrical and drywall and flooring are easier than ever. I don't gotta plaster an entire wall into existence, just the joints between drywall. I don't gotta put ceramic knobs up to wrap my wiring around, I can just pull a shielded wire through the walls. I don't have to cut and solder lead pipe or install ceramic drain lines or huge threaded cast iron pipes, I use plastic which is way faster and easier in every way. I don't have to mend carpets, you buy new, and laminate flooring is cheaper than anything ever before and is so easy ive had a 6 year old child doing it. Tile hasn't changed in like forever.

If you follow the bog standard construction methods, there are only a handful of dangerous or bad things you can do. Like pulling wire through sharp metal conduit holes and not using grommets. Or sticking your furnace up tight against bare wood boards or paneling. Or being completely clueless and ignoring the instructions printed on your insulation and creating a plastic trap for moisture to accumulate. Using brittle screws instead of nails for framing. And almost all of these things would be caught by an inspector immediately if you even tried.

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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"We need more tradespeople" seems to be an evergreen news article. My brother in law is an electrician. He is paid alright, enough to live on. But there are HUGE downsides. He does not receive health insurance. He does not get paid vacation. In order to match decent white-collar pay, he needs to work overtime. His company pushes hard to get jobs finished fast, causing people to cut safety corners. Many of his coworke…

You should tell him to move to Australia. Tradies in Australia are like royalty.

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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As a former chef, I'll gladly take the extra few pounds and minor shoulder issues I've gotten as PM over scalding hot oil being poured on my arms or a meat slicer taking the tip of my thumb mostly off. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/False-E...

My wood shop teacher started by showing us his missing fingers eaten by a table saw. Best safety lesson ever. I always think of that when using my table saw. Those meat slicers give me the heebie jeebies. Sorry about your thumb.

Especially since it's a solved problem. SawStop[1] is incredible. Yes, Festool isn't cheap, but neither is an unplanned amputation. Of course it's not perfect, but you'll probably be looking at stitches instead of dismemberment.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYLAi4jwXcs

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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"Youtube university" has most definitely had an effect. Particularly in regards to the lack of pay increase in the trades. My toilet is leaking? 10 years ago I'd call a plumber. Now I diagnose the problem and determine if it's within my skill level to learn the repair (it usually is). For me, this wouldn't be feasible without online how-to videos. A plumber/carpenter/electrician will charge me $50-$100/hr for work th…

Yeah same here. My dryer stopped working. Had someone come out and tell me the heating element and thermostat needed replacing. $275 for the part, $250 for the labor. That’s a $525 for a $650 dryer. Not worth it. I bought a complete heating element and thermostat kit on Amazon for $29. After a few YouTube videos and about an hour and a half, I had it fixed.

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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"We need more tradespeople" seems to be an evergreen news article. My brother in law is an electrician. He is paid alright, enough to live on. But there are HUGE downsides. He does not receive health insurance. He does not get paid vacation. In order to match decent white-collar pay, he needs to work overtime. His company pushes hard to get jobs finished fast, causing people to cut safety corners. Many of his coworke…

You should tell him to move to Australia. Tradies in Australia are like royalty.

How much do they get paid?

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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One thing I've found is that you have to call the right people. As tempting as it is to get a professional in the right field, you do find pretty quickly that they don't want small jobs. For that you will be much more successful if you talk to a handyman.

And being aware of how state and local laws could affect the market. Depending on municipality, only licensed tradespeople can touch electrical and plumbing, except for the homeowner, so handymen can't help with certain things. As an example, I wanted to have a new water heater installed and replace the improper vent. When I asked plumbers for a full quote, replacing the vent added thousands of extra dollars because…

True, electrical and plumbing can be exceptions to the rule. They're also the two areas I've never had any trouble getting help with small jobs, so maybe that's why. But most any construction-related work, I've had to learn to be comfortable with a handyman for all such jobs.

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I feel like it's a weird situation when the pay is low, but there is overtime available and there's pressure to work fast. Why wouldn't a company raise prices, increase pay and slow down if there's more than a standard day of work available and customers ready/waiting? Is it more of industry issue or that specific company issue then?

Because business is a market. If your competitors are offering cheaper, faster jobs why would they pick you? As long as the corner cutting doesn't affect the customer, the latter is a better deal. The cynical reality is that safety violations affecting workers don't really matter to most customers, the end result and the cost of obtain it do. The more realistic scenario is less pay in exchange for slower hours.

> your competitors are offering cheaper, faster jobs why would they pick you?

Quality and availability. Fewer better paid jobs in the pipeline means they can decide to pay extra for less waiting and a not-rushed job.

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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And you have to go do it. I love working behind a computer. I sit in a chair. Waking up at 5am to go to a client site to do some physical labor 40+ hours a week for my entire life sounds like hell. Even if the money was incredible it would suck.

Perhaps it's a case of "the grass is always greener", but before I became a software engineer, I felt much healthier doing a physical job.

It may feel better at the time but repetitive motions in most physical jobs will eventually catch up with your body. In an office job you can exercise on your own terms and without long term chronic pain.
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