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Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

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Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

#131
>HR aren’t evil, they’re just doing a job

I don't know about this one, HR (or the lack thereof) in silicon valley has a pretty strong track record of evil.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/18/technology/zenefits-scand...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-27/uber-like...

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

#132
I want to ask a really base level question. And maybe it doesn't relate to this article in particular. Why do I get the vibe that people talk about HR as if it's some sort of clandestine political power center in our society? Or is this is just a recent right wing talking point?

I could maybe see a power struggle between "engineering" and "design" in a company like Apple. Is HR not just a basic managerial function the the CEO can adjust as necessary if something goes wrong?

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

#133
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the nature of being a cop unethical? I agree there are abuses of the power but from what I've seen in real life it's important work.

I should mention I am referring specifically to police in the United States. The short answer is because cops defend cops, including bad cops. People like to say it's just a few bad apples, but it's far more prevalent than that. And even if it were just 1 in 100, the fact that the cops band together to protect a rapist/murderer/whatever shows that they care more about unity than morals. I realize this answer is lacki…

> People like to say it's just a few bad apples, but it's far more prevalent than that.

Not discounting your point at all, but the best response when someone says this is to point out that the saying is "a few bad apples spoil the bunch". It's very literal- an apple that's going bad releases fumes that cause other apples nearby to spoil. So it's very important to find them and get rid of them before that happens.

Completing the analogy is an exercise left to the reader.

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

#134
post #21

HR represents the company. Where your goals and the company's aligns, they can be helpful. Where they diverge, perhaps less so. I think a lot of these sorts of articles discount the idea that your goals and the company's will frequently align. For example, if you're being harassed, it's very often in the company's interest to stop that happening. It will cause you and perhaps more people to quit if they don't, and th…

I don’t disagree with anything here.

Some people look at them as ‘impartial judges’. They are not. They have to take the side of the company which will result in more success for the company (not necessarily the manager, or upper manager, but rather the company itself).

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

#135
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HR going rogue with political nonsense (I can only imagine some libertarian HR telling everyone 'deal with it yourselves!' lol) is not the fault of that HR, it's the fault of incompetent executives. The issue is never one individual, it's a broken system letting a single individual negatively influence it.

How do you fire the HR exec when HR itself handles the firings.

The CEO does it. Or the board if they won’t. There’s also someone higher up the tree.

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

#136
post #21

HR represents the company. Where your goals and the company's aligns, they can be helpful. Where they diverge, perhaps less so. I think a lot of these sorts of articles discount the idea that your goals and the company's will frequently align. For example, if you're being harassed, it's very often in the company's interest to stop that happening. It will cause you and perhaps more people to quit if they don't, and th…

You're making the assumption that although you're being harassed the best outcome for you and the company are aligned. This is definitely not always the case, if you are being harassed and it happens to be in the best interest for the company to get rid of you, for whatever reason, guess what happens next?

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree $700/hr is higher than necessary. But I'm not sure what kind of lawyer you are going to get for $100/hr if you're talking about within the U.S.

Small town, private practice (not a big law firm)

I dont know anything about lawyers. Are there cheap city lawyers? Are there expensive small town private practice lawyers? What makes a lawyer's value go up? I'm asking a non rhetorical question, I really dont know

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

#138
post #21

HR represents the company. Where your goals and the company's aligns, they can be helpful. Where they diverge, perhaps less so. I think a lot of these sorts of articles discount the idea that your goals and the company's will frequently align. For example, if you're being harassed, it's very often in the company's interest to stop that happening. It will cause you and perhaps more people to quit if they don't, and th…

You're making the assumption that although you're being harassed the best outcome for you and the company are aligned. This is definitely not always the case, if you are being harassed and it happens to be in the best interest for the company to get rid of you, for whatever reason, guess what happens next?

> guess what happens next?

Lawsuits and bad press.

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

#139
post #82
post #21

HR represents the company. Where your goals and the company's aligns, they can be helpful. Where they diverge, perhaps less so. I think a lot of these sorts of articles discount the idea that your goals and the company's will frequently align. For example, if you're being harassed, it's very often in the company's interest to stop that happening. It will cause you and perhaps more people to quit if they don't, and th…

> For example, if you're being harassed, it's very often in the company's interest to stop that happening. Unless of course, the harraser is a top performer, or VIP in their market. Remeber all that fun with Susan Fowler, an engineer at Uber that went public with her harrasment? Or the ever infamous https://archive.ph/dUJNs In those cases, like you said, HR protected the interests of the Company, which was in preserv…

> Susan Fowler, an engineer at Uber

I always had a problem with that case: so you start to work for one of the most unethical companies out there, a company whose business model is to circumvent regulations, a company that built software whose sole purpose was to deceive auditors.

And then you are shocked, shocked, that there is gambling^W unethical behavior going on?

Re: Having friends in HR is fine, but HR is not your friend

#140

Someone once said to me, "HR is there to protect the company from the employees." Always keep that in mind. That's what they're paid for. For some reason, I also think of the quote [1] from Bleak House , "Suffer any wrong that can be done you rather than come here!" In the old days, they were called "Personnel." Now that's too old-fashioned, and pretty soon the name "HR" will be, too, so they'll call it something els…

"People & Culture" is the new hot term.

Very Orwellian. I like it.
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