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The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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I do remote software work from a very picturesque but somewhat remote coastal village in Sweden that has been largely left behind by urbanisation. My impression is that there's no reluctance to go into these lines of work for young local people here. I imagine it would be the same in the US. In the cities where there are more office work opportunities for young people, even without any qualifications to speak of: it…

From my impression and exposure to construction it seems the wood construction techniques are different in Europe (to speak broadly) than in the US. Without getting into details it seems European (and also Aussie) carpenters (and "tradies" to also speak broadly) are paid more than their US counterparts. Have also heard a lot of the "best" carpenters and builders in the States are from Europe - this may be slightly outdated info (a few decades) - I had thought this being due to the more "timber frame" -type construction styles in Europe.

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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How much of this is class signifiers in the age of increasingly tenuous existences on anyone but the wealthy? I wouldn’t own a farm even with existing subsidies on agriculture specifically because it will destroy my body and then I’ll be on the hook for all that healthcare.

It's more nuanced than that for a lot of people I think - many people inherit "the family farm/ag. business" so to speak and even if they don't want to get into it they do anyway

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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Everything would be fine in these industries if rent and homes were cheaper. Instead people think they have to make top dollar just to survive and avoid lots of otherwise fulfilling jobs.

Yeah it's weird right, how can we make homes and rent cheaper without more supply of homes?

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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Same labor shortage as everywhere that the government likes to pretend doesn't exist. 10 million working-age men can't or won't work. Of the ones willing to work, almost none want to spend their time learning skills for back-breaking, barely-middle class skills jobs which they'll be forced to retire from at 55 because their knees give out. Same answer for the shortage as everywhere that the economists don't want to h…

Independent plumbers/local plumbing businesses can easily earn $1,000/day with 2-3 service calls. Not sure how universal healthcare, PTO, immigration, and more pay have to do with this. Edit: Thank you for all the downvotes for me calling out the weird correlation between tech benefits/politics and plumber skill-shortage + high-reward wages. Your wokeism will forever benefit society.

What do independent plumbers have to do for healthcare for them and their families? Is there a better option than COBRA? I honestly don't know.

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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How much of this is class signifiers in the age of increasingly tenuous existences on anyone but the wealthy? I wouldn’t own a farm even with existing subsidies on agriculture specifically because it will destroy my body and then I’ll be on the hook for all that healthcare.

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Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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The article, maybe unintentionally, frames this in an interesting way by starting with a first-generation 20-year-old immigrant.

In the US, you're in "Gen Z" whether you're a 20-year-old first-generation immigrant, like the carpenter in the lede, or a 20-year-old 10th-generation American.

But immigration's changed dramatically over the last 20 years. Before the pandemic, the number of immigrants has increased, but the age, class, and education levels of those immigrants have also. Asia overtook Hispanic regions as a source of immigrants in 2009; more than half of 2018 immigrants from Asia had a bachelor's degree or better, compared to more than half of 2018 immigrants from Mexico not completing high school. The proportion of undocumented immigrants has also dropped, while non-criminal deportations have increased.[1]

This largely translated to a relative decline of younger, less-educated, poorer immigrants for whom the trades are the most accessible means of financial security, and a shift toward most total US immigrants (51%) having already lived in the US for more than 20 years. There's also a much larger proportion of recent immigrants age 25+ with at least a bachelor's degree (more than 45% from 2014-2019, vs. less than 35% for both US- and foreign-born immigrants prior to 2014). And when counting both immigrants and their children — whether immigrants or US-born — the population dropped by nearly 1 million between 2020 and 2021.[2]

Which leads to the pandemic: net immigration, across the board, cratered so hard in 2020 and 2021 that there were fewer total foreign-born immigrants in 2021 than there were immigrant visas — not work visas, not student visas, but just permanent resident visas — in 2016.[3]

The easy framing is to pin it on "Gen Z", but the missing context that the lede just hints at changes the story dramatically.

1: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-finding...

2: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested...

3: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/12/net-internati...

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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A lot of this is due to the ancient nature of construction. Allow experimentation with new materials. Allow robots, prefabs etc. I m sure genz would love to program your 3d home printer or assemble your ikea home.

They are not lazy, but forward thinking. Who wants to become a plumber when that job may be automated in 10 years

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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It's almost as if people are less willing to work jobs that actively harm their long-term physical health (back-breaking jobs) or those harmful for their mental health (generally ones face to face with customers, customer support or high stress jobs), for a relatively small wage to said job's demands and lasting effects.
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