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Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by jetrink »

ModernMech wrote: post #308
jetrink wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. This is social media style moderation being applied to a website that is more similar to infrastructure or a library. If I were a member of a private, professional library* and a colleague was found to hold racist views or had submitted a racist paper, I would still find it unacceptable to see that all of their books and papers had been indiscriminately pulled off the shelves overnight. In fact, such a thing…

> In fact, such a thing would be unthinkable. But wouldn’t you agree that if I run a private professional library, I have the right to add or remove books by any (legal) process I deem appropriate? > Do such things exist? I sorta do this; I have a small collection of historical programming languages texts that I make available to my students and anyone else interested. It’s not really a membership kind of thing tho.

> But wouldn’t you agree that if I run a private professional library, I have the right to add or remove books by any (legal) process I deem appropriate?

Of course. I don't think this is a question of freedom of speech or anything like that. I think this is about how Github should moderate its content in a way that is best for its users and its business. Making a Twitter profile or a YouTube channel disappear is categorically different in my mind from making a GitHub repository disappear and I think GitHub should want for me to feel that way. If I don't, it changes how and how much I use the service.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by meowface »

hnfools wrote: post #310

Turns out the TOS violation had nothing whatsoever to do with racism, as so many commenters here were overly confident to proclaim, in typical HN style. It's because he'd linked to prohibited content in the wiki: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki... Here's the issue discussing it: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/issu...

This appears to be correct. The racism allegations are likely legitimate* but they don't appear to be involved with the account being taken down.

* "WhiteOnly" Rimworld mod that removes all non-whites; "PeacefulProtests" mod "narrated by George Floyd"; "BlackOnly" mod that purportedly just disables technological progression, though this claim appears to be unverified; exclusively black or black-painting artists in data set labeled with "n" + almost no other single-letters in use besides another possible euphemism, which when asked about gave a reply of "no comment"; long-time 4channer and /g/ poster (in recent years /g/ has become increasingly far-right; certainly not all /g/ posters are, but in combination with those other factors it may be relevant)

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by [deleted] »

Ekaros wrote: post #40
smcl wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if you’re doing racist stuff, you should expect that the owner of the platform you’re doing it on will probably not like that and find a way to kick you off. The user is probably not a card carrying neo-nazi, but I’m sorry this is 2023, how on Earth can people still expect not to get called for juvenile 4chan-level trolling like this?

Because no one should care. Just fully ignore them, do not engage with trolls or people whose politics you don't care about. Maybe we should instead ban those who call out this stuff or describe it in malicious ways...

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Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by huggingrear »

meowface wrote: post #332
hnfools wrote: post #310

Turns out the TOS violation had nothing whatsoever to do with racism, as so many commenters here were overly confident to proclaim, in typical HN style. It's because he'd linked to prohibited content in the wiki: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki... Here's the issue discussing it: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/issu...

This appears to be correct. The racism allegations are likely legitimate* but they don't appear to be involved with the account being taken down. * "WhiteOnly" Rimworld mod that removes all non-whites; "PeacefulProtests" mod "narrated by George Floyd"; "BlackOnly" mod that purportedly just disables technological progression, though this claim appears to be unverified; exclusively black or black-painting artists in da…

>"WhiteOnly" Rimworld mod that removes all non-whites

This was in response to an already existing mod which removed all white people, which was deemed totally fine. AUTO1111 also made a all black MOD later, which you mentioned.

>"BlacksOnly" mod that purportedly just disables technological progression

This is false: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103vsm2/we...

All it did was lock the available skintones.

>/g/ has become increasingly far-right

Any data to back this up with ? And how can you even know that AUTO1111 is active on /g/ ? It's anonymous.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by [deleted] »

huggingrear wrote: post #334
meowface wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This appears to be correct. The racism allegations are likely legitimate* but they don't appear to be involved with the account being taken down. * "WhiteOnly" Rimworld mod that removes all non-whites; "PeacefulProtests" mod "narrated by George Floyd"; "BlackOnly" mod that purportedly just disables technological progression, though this claim appears to be unverified; exclusively black or black-painting artists in da…

>"WhiteOnly" Rimworld mod that removes all non-whites This was in response to an already existing mod which removed all white people, which was deemed totally fine. AUTO1111 also made a all black MOD later, which you mentioned. >"BlacksOnly" mod that purportedly just disables technological progression This is false: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103vsm2/we... All it did was lock the available skin…

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Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by yorwba »

Ironically, GitHub wikis have a history of commits just like the main repository (not sure whether they actually use git for the wikis or just present them using the same interface) and nothing is lost: the diff can be seen at https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki...

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ilyt »

smcl wrote: post #170
ilyt wrote: post #102

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Ye I don't see anyone quitting github over some random rimworld mod. I claim bullshit on that People still buy Nestle and they do far worse shit. People have no problem supporting corporations that do business with racist regimes. Claiming somehow people (other than some virtue signalling) would start migrating in droves to gitlab because there is a mod for rimworld is insane.

No you're right, there's not going to be a mass exodus because of one mod. However if GitHub became known as the 8chan of git where anything goes, that would likely cause a slow decline that would be difficult to turn around. The way you prevent that is by drawing a line and saying that if someone crosses that line they're gone. I guess they've deemed this user to have crossed the line. Whenever I see "virtue signall…

Right but proper reaction to that is sending a message of "hey this repo breaks TOS because X Y and Z". You get the author chance to explain (if it is genuine misunderstanding, which will happen just due to culture differences and some moderators being, well, utterly incompetent) or fix their attitude, or remove their stuff.

And in case of someone discussing it, like here, there is no need to guess and dig if the reason is given plainly by the moderator and points directly to the offense. Instead of speculation you get people look at it and just go "oh, yeah, that's fair" and move on.

Yeetus deletus of everything, including unrelated things, because you broke TOS point which we don't even tell you how did you break it (which is pretty fucking common with any big tech, regardless of the reason, even if reason is just "triggered some heuristics in our system") is not okay.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ilyt »

noirscape wrote: post #119
ilyt wrote: post #93

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I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were made just to troll people, like the time where 4chan briefly made some morons think OK sign is some racist/white nationalist thing

Well, y'know then Poe's Law[0] kicks in. Repeating racist dogwhistles but doing it "to own the libs" is y'know, still repeating racist dogwhistles. I can totally understand a company like GitHub for purely cynical money reasons not wanting to be affiliated with that sort of thing even if it's ironic (which, Poes Law, I have no reason to believe is the case with Automatic). As for the OK sign thing; that was a case of…

So by accepting the well established sign is now racist because a group decided to use it you just... let them win ? Not a great idea IMO.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by freedomben »

yorwba wrote: post #336

Ironically, GitHub wikis have a history of commits just like the main repository (not sure whether they actually use git for the wikis or just present them using the same interface) and nothing is lost: the diff can be seen at https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki...

Github's wiki being essentially a git repo with markdown is one of the killer features that I can't believe people don't rave about. It's so wonderfully useful and open. I can edit pages locally in vim and commit them, but my non-technical partner can edit them easily in the UI as well. If/when there are merge conflicts, it's just standard git to resolve them!

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ilyt »

pelasaco wrote: post #108
ilyt wrote: post #83

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> I don't know if github is a good arbiter of what is and what isn't considered hate speech I think they have proved beyond shadow of doubt that they are not

i will never forget when in my interview process there, they wanted me to go through a 3 hours session with their diversity manager.. I just gave up from the process.

I'd go just for lols, would make for interesting post.
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