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Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

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Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#341
For me it is a convenience factor. Even when I have subscriptions with what I want to watch, I eventually found myself often just downloading it because it is easier than thinking about what service a show will be found on.

Spotify has this down since it is rare that they don't have the music I want. I happily pay for and use this subscription.

Games are also easy to find since on PC it is a quick Google that gives a direct link to the correct store. It is still annoying when things aren't on Steam but the friction of finding the game to play is minimized by using Playnite to collate all the different services after I buy the game.

Movies and TV are just a mess that is driving people to pirate. The media companies got greedy and prevented Netflix from becoming the one stop shop for all media. Watching on the TV means that even figuring out which service to use sucks and it is a terrible user experience.

Another complaint is live sports, I would happily subscribe to Dazn if they had every sports league on it. But since they don't have some sports I want to watch then the subscription just isn't worth it. Similarly, blackouts on the sport specific services make them a non-starter.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#343
Aside from a brief (ten film) dip into piracy just so I could see how this BitTorrent thing worked about fifteen or so back, I never really pirated anything.

Now, though, I feel like I am getting gouged from one side, nickel and dimed from another. I am especially considering it for music -- chasing down out of print stuff has begun to annoy me. If they can't keep it in print, then I think they should give up copyright. I'd be willing to support legislation to that extent. We'd have to close a lot of loopholes as to what "in print" meant, mind you.

Plus, sharing my extensive music collection, which contains some rarities, might not be the worst thing.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#344
I have never stopped pirating since I got internet. My TV provider gives me Netflix, I have HBO Max through a sweet deal, amazon because of the delivery and Disney because a friend share the account, yet I still download all the shows I want, for example, I downloaded House of the Dragon week after week while I watched it on HBO Max, I think the only episode I watched pirated was the leaked one.

Why? Because I automated this process along time ago and also because I know sooner or later I am going to stop paying for that and this way I am prepared for it, because I don't have Apple or Rakuten, or many others. Because I have my own library of stuff (paid, and pirated) that goes back decades and I can access it from anywhere in the world.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

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post #100

> “We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem,” he said. “If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and m…

Ebooks are the worst offenders IMO. Most stores I’ve seen don’t even tell me the format or DRM, but I’m pretty sure it won’t be an open format

I like using the Kobo store, because it sells some of its books DRM-free. When it does use DRM, it lists the book as being DRMed, and Kobo DRM is easy to remove anyway.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My household has one streaming service at a time. We have lists (shared reminder lists in iOS) that we make for whenever a friend mentions a good movie - it goes on the Apple TV list, or Disney plus list, etc. then once enough films build up (can take 2-6 months sometimes) we purchase a subscription and watch all those shows for one month.

I'd love a website I could enter my account info for these streaming sites and turn each one on, one month at a time, with a click of a button. This would attract the ire of streaming companies though.

This would be a fun idea. Especially if this was combined with your watchlist. The website could decide you have most stuff on your wishlist for service X, automatically cancel/subscribe, and send you an e-mail with a summary of what you can watch in the upcoming month.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#347
Open to it? I practice it when I find it the appropriate response to the market.

I will usually pirate video under one or more of the following conditions:

- I already own or owned a copy of the film at some point in my life

- The film or show isn't available for streaming or even purchase

- The streaming quality is vastly inferior to the format I can pirate

- The film or show can be streamed but with no option besides "free with ads"

- I have good reason to believe that those responsible for making the film won't receive a red cent

I've been finding myself pirating more often recently because I find the quality of streaming video to often be intolerable. It may be alright for brand spanking new shows, but I like to watch a lot of older content, and the quality of the video often totally blows. I'm talking a crapton of compression, and what I suspect to be upscaled standard def rather than actual HD or 4k.

What blows my mind is that a ~250mb mkv file I torrented in under 30 seconds usually blows streaming quality out of the water. I get that torrents are on a much smaller scale, but come on, it's peer to peer file delivery that it almost immediately ready to watch with no buffering or ads or massive disk space needed.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#348
post #301

I pirate everything. Haven't subscribed to a service like Spotify, Netflix, etc. in many years. I can listen to my music in CD-quality and bring it anywhere. Same with any movie, TV show, etc. And I know that no one is selling what I find interesting as analytics data. At the same time, I want to support creators, and I'll donate/use services like Bandcamp to directly support folks I appreciate. I have a $100/mo "don…

The challenge with this is actually supporting creators for complex works that are published by these companies.

Take a TV show for example - hundreds of people work on these things. There's no real way to support the show when you pirate something. TV shows don't have patreons or kickstarters.

Piracy is quite attractive because of how hostile the copyright holders are to end users. Sticking it to the megacorps that treat us with such disdain, even in these small ways, feels great. But this leaves a difficult question of how to actually support the people who are making the thing.

As far as I can tell, if you are serious about this, the closest thing to directly supporting a complex creative endeavor like a TV show is to "purchase" it from Amazon. Of course, you realize you "own" nothing, and Amazon still takes its cut, but at least it's a "sale" for the specific work in some spreadsheet.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#349
How many of you are open to the piracy of your work product, by people who work for your company's competitors? Or by someone else on your team pirating your code and claiming it as their own?

I oppose piracy because I recognize that I am not entitled to things produced by others, even if there is literally no cost to reproduce them. (Unless the author him/herself supports said piracy!) The fact that I make enough money to afford these things (when/where they are available), as I suspect many of you do, makes the idea of piracy, frankly, ridiculous.

Such entitlement!

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is that it’s problematic to pay for many different streaming services to get the content. Spotify got it right for music - one subscription, everything i want is there. Movies etc, not even close. How is one to fight back? The traditional way worked for music. I’m happy to pay but I’m not going to be taken advantage of.

if you don't like it don't consume, no? seems simple to me. seems like a strange rationalization

I think that’s fine if en mass that was happening.

What causes corporations to sit up and take note is that when things are presented as a paid option with reasonable terms, people pay. However unreasonable terms (as we see with multiple streaming services, with adverts or minimal good content unless you pay again) increase piracy, not underconsumption.

What motivation would people have, when they feel they are being ripped off, and are presented with an alternative with no demonstrable downsides, to not consume?

People would happily pay but it’s impossible to do so in a reasonable or indeed fair way.

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