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Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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I have a Tesla and I also hold a short position on TSLA. My Tesla is a great car. The best car that I've ever driven but I'm not sure if it has anything that other car manufacturers can't replicate. I think Apple can make an even better car than Tesla if they build the hardware and software like their phones and computers. The idea that Autopilot has some magic sauce that nobody else can replicate is laughable.

The difference seems to be that Tesla was 5-10 years ahead on everything: Minimalistic interiors, modern infotainment, mobile app performance, and of course they lead the way in making electric cars viable by showing that they can both look good and blast off in record time. But you're right that other automakers see Tesla as a threat and are catching up; for example, the range and charging curve improvements on mode…

Being ahead on everything doesn't help if the larger players can pick and choose improvements and learn from your mistakes and adapt.

It really doesn't help when the leadership of said car company is erratic and eroding the goodwill of the brand while people generally feel comfortable with more established carmakers. I feel pretty confident that major automakers are going to be around in 10 years. Buying a Tesla already feels like a bit of a gamble to me just because of its newness.

With an economy that's already slowing it could really hurt them when it's likely fewer people are buying cars and will be more cautious about it when they do. "Maybe I'll hold off another year and see how the new crop of cars compares with the Tesla."

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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The difference seems to be that Tesla was 5-10 years ahead on everything: Minimalistic interiors, modern infotainment, mobile app performance, and of course they lead the way in making electric cars viable by showing that they can both look good and blast off in record time. But you're right that other automakers see Tesla as a threat and are catching up; for example, the range and charging curve improvements on mode…

> Minimalistic interiors Is this something you see as a benefit? For me Tesla's overall aesthetic, including both their exterior looks and interior design, along with the absence of physical controls that go long with that represent their biggest downsides (outside of build quality).

The giant tablet screen that sticks out like a sore thumb is the opposite of minimalistic, or minimalistic in the worst way.

I wonder how long Tesla can get away with not offering CarPlay/Android Auto functionality. The lack of that basic, cheap, and frequently used feature disqualifies any car from consideration in my view.

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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Not sure what the general consensus on Tesla in Norway. Sure, they are great cars during the summer, but during the winter they severely lack the robustness of the traditional car manufacturers. One of them being able to open the car door!

Use the app to unlock the door https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_cn/GUID-F907200...

It's hilarious that anyone would consider this an acceptable work around for such an idiotic design flaw.

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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I'm not sure you can say that when the market cap is still 10x car companies that deliver orders of magnitude more cars than them. Even a high growth car company wouldn't justify that valuation. No, Tesla is still very overpriced for a car company based on hype.

It's very overpriced as a tech company for what it actually delivers as well

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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In 2021, Tesla pivoted to become the leading AI/Robotics company in the world. They had an investor day with a robot and everything.

In case the sarcasm above isn't clear, see the video of the 2021 reveal (a human in a catsuit): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNc4nEX3c4

And the 2022 re-reveal (in which humans have to push it onto the stage): https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1576021072239300608

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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The difference seems to be that Tesla was 5-10 years ahead on everything: Minimalistic interiors, modern infotainment, mobile app performance, and of course they lead the way in making electric cars viable by showing that they can both look good and blast off in record time. But you're right that other automakers see Tesla as a threat and are catching up; for example, the range and charging curve improvements on mode…

Most car buyers don't actually want minimalistic interiors.

Some people like black overstuffed couches. Some people like Danish modern.

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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Tesla is a battery manufacturer that happens to make cars. Remember, they also make the Powerwall and grid-scale storage. I think the bigger question we should ask ourselves is, "What is a tech company?"

Tesla are a battery pack manufacturer, they mostly use cells manufactured by Panasonic and CATL.

I thought the Gigafactories manufactured the batteries whose design they license from someone else that then get assembled into packs of various sizes.

Are you saying the Gigafactories are not making batteries at all?

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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I have a Tesla and I also hold a short position on TSLA. My Tesla is a great car. The best car that I've ever driven but I'm not sure if it has anything that other car manufacturers can't replicate. I think Apple can make an even better car than Tesla if they build the hardware and software like their phones and computers. The idea that Autopilot has some magic sauce that nobody else can replicate is laughable.

The difference seems to be that Tesla was 5-10 years ahead on everything: Minimalistic interiors, modern infotainment, mobile app performance, and of course they lead the way in making electric cars viable by showing that they can both look good and blast off in record time. But you're right that other automakers see Tesla as a threat and are catching up; for example, the range and charging curve improvements on mode…

They were 10 years ahead, 5 years ago. The market has realized that.

It's also starting to creep into the mainstream consciousness that EVs aren't a good long-term solution to our poor transportation system.

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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post #4

I have a Tesla and I also hold a short position on TSLA. My Tesla is a great car. The best car that I've ever driven but I'm not sure if it has anything that other car manufacturers can't replicate. I think Apple can make an even better car than Tesla if they build the hardware and software like their phones and computers. The idea that Autopilot has some magic sauce that nobody else can replicate is laughable.

> I think Apple can make an even better car than Tesla if they build the hardware and software like their phones and computers. I'm not sure outsourcing manufacturing and focusing on design works in auto industry - but could be wrong.

Even if that were true, you don't think Apple is capable of building out manufacturing capabilities?

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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post #4

I have a Tesla and I also hold a short position on TSLA. My Tesla is a great car. The best car that I've ever driven but I'm not sure if it has anything that other car manufacturers can't replicate. I think Apple can make an even better car than Tesla if they build the hardware and software like their phones and computers. The idea that Autopilot has some magic sauce that nobody else can replicate is laughable.

> The idea that Autopilot has some magic sauce that nobody else can replicate is laughable. Apparently GM's Supercruise is better, and cheaper. I got enhanced autopilot in my first Tesla. Except for changing lanes, things like summon and autopark are just toys. The auto lane chance is so glitchy I decided I was better off saving seven grand on my second Tesla. But if Enhanced Autopilot was 1-2 grand, I'd have bought…

Wait what, SuperCruise better then AP? Any sources?
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