Amazon has raised the number of jobs it plans to cut 18,000

Post by shmatt » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 2:30 PM UTC

honestduane wrote: post #26

This is just corporate gaslighting at this point; There is no legitimate reason so many very profitable tech companies need to fire so many when we are not even in a recession according to the United States Government and the treasury and the banks, and its not like they are not making record profits. They cant say "we are making record profits" and in the same breath say "we need to fire people to survive" that's no…

Post by p0pcult » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 2:35 PM UTC

shmatt wrote: post #31

honestduane wrote: post #26

This is just corporate gaslighting at this point; There is no legitimate reason so many very profitable tech companies need to fire so many when we are not even in a recession according to the United States Government and the treasury and the banks, and its not like they are not making record profits. They cant say "we are making record profits" and in the same breath say "we need to fire people to survive" that's no…

Making profits does not have to mean funding teams that aren't generating anything significant in terms or product and/or income. Many of these companies have a small portion making most of the profits, and all the others eating them up (see: VR, Voice). You can do it the Amazon way, cutting products that are bleeding money, or the Salesforce way asking all units to cut 10% across the board, but just keeping failed p…

Post by simplotek » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 2:38 PM UTC

sidewndr46 wrote: post #15

simplotek wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The news industry is incredibly desperate for stories about layoffs it seems. I don't think this is an informed take. Amazon not only cancelled all hires but also increased the number of employees they want to fire. From the first time in the company's history, they explicitly announced they were going to fire people in a purely cost-cutting approach and in a way that was not tied to employee performance. If anythi…

And they can start that hiring engine back up the morning after they make that press release. If you simply went through all of a company like IBM's announced layoffs of some percentage, you would find their headcount rapidly converges to a value of 0% sometime early in the company's history. Last time I checked, IBM is a not yet an AI-run business to the best of our understanding.

Post by osigurdson » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 2:40 PM UTC

Post by Retric » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 2:41 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #20

chasd00 wrote: post #19

Why did so much tech go on a pandemic hiring spree? Did they think it was going to last forever? I don't understand all everyone ( in tech ) made the same mistake. "oh let's increase our headcount by 25% in response to a pandemic that is mutating and gradually lessoning in severity while vaccines and other medicines are dramatically increasing in efficacy... but it's going to last forever." what am i missing? How did…

What makes you think it was a mistake? Could very well have been planned. "Lets hire like crazy in order to meet demand, and when the demand disappears again, do layoffs". Probably someone calculated something somewhere saying "If we hire 25% more people to take advantage of the increased demand, we'll earn more profits even with layoffs with heavy severances for everyone after X months".