Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

news.ycombinator.com

151–160 of 641 posts

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#151

I'm not going to speak about my personal practices, but I find the current landscape of streaming services unusable and unsustainable from a customer perspective. I share a Netflix and Prime account with my parents, and support for that is soon going to end. I don't feel like either of those services provide enough value to me to consider paying for them entirely by myself. The content is mediocre at best, finding an…

I have just been thinking of how to explain why the audio landscape (podcasts and music) are so wildly different in this sense.

While not perfect, you have a way less unreasonable user experience especially in terms of DRM and hostile in software and APIs, and the fragmentation and balkanization is not even close to at the same level.

Most people who pay seem content with what they do and complement with free and open (mostly legal save for much on the YouTube). Public warez is spotty outside of that and the toplists. Private trackers are extremely exclusive, insular and inaccessible except for the very dedicated.

What's the dominating factor here? IP ownership and legal differences? Market dynamics? Opex costs? Industry corporate cultural differences? Or is it just circumstance that Spotify and Apple Music have been able and willing enough to make it happen while what.cd left a legacy where insular elitism became the norm and video pirates have always been more Tallyho?

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#153
I don't want to pay for DRM content.

Piracy is a better alternative. Far less hassle and better quality.

There is some very nice software out there so you can basically have your own private Netflix. Risk is minimal when setup correctly.

People say piracy is stealing. It isn't. It's the natural order of things. People support things with money that they want to see. People see plays, concerts, and movies in theaters all the time. Not letting people share a recording is ridiculous, as is the concept of eternal royalties.

Look at how much art we have that takes from prior art to turn it into something new. Piracy helps that goal. We wouldn't have people like Eminem if he hadn't pirated tapes. Piracy hurts no one, and studies show pirates spend the most on content.

A decade or so from now, no one will be talking about piracy because it will simply be the natural way of sharing, at least in free countries.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#154

I see no moral problem with file sharing. Personally it's rarely worth the hassle, though I occasionally convert a youtube video to and mp3 for niche songs I can't find on spotify. I'd say it depends on how you value your time and how difficult it is to find what you want. "Piracy" is the legitimate competitor of streaming services. It seems like we have had a period where streaming offered a better product, but havi…

Well interestingly enough, it really is developers that can make a great piracy user experience. Why don’t we?

Jackett would like word with you.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#155
Never stopped it in the first place. Never got into streaming. Never had a single subscription.

Every time I see someone struggle with streaming services (content not available, DRM, shitty artificial limitations, shitty players, shady business practices, things you "bought" disappearing because licensing changed), I get reminded that piracy is just so much better. Find a torrent, download it, done. After you've downloaded it, you have it forever, it's not going anywhere.

On the OP question, of course I do still watch YouTube, and of course I don't pay for it. I run uBO + SponsorBlock + some userscripts for a barely bearable experience. To be honest, the modern web is literally unusable without an ad blocker anyway.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#156

I don't see the need for priracy (yet). To pay for all streaming services I only need to work 1 hour. This is to pay for Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Hulu, Videoland, Disney+, HBO Max and Sky As for videogames, there's currently a sale on Steam and PSN. That's when I usually buy games. It's very easy to save money but you gotta be patient.

For PSN, I keep a list of games I want to buy as bookmarks to psprices.com.

That lets me periodically check what's on sale, and also see how good the current price is, and what the price trend is.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#157

I'm not going to speak about my personal practices, but I find the current landscape of streaming services unusable and unsustainable from a customer perspective. I share a Netflix and Prime account with my parents, and support for that is soon going to end. I don't feel like either of those services provide enough value to me to consider paying for them entirely by myself. The content is mediocre at best, finding an…

What did people think was going to happen with subscription services? That you get everything you wanted in just one? This was inevitable, I am not quite sure why people were so excited about Netflix. It just meant that we own even less of what we consume. When you brought a disc (or even a digital version of it), you can kind of claim ownership. With subscription services? You can't even morally argue that you own i…

[deleted]

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#158
Again? I never stopped. I try to find ways to fund creators directly whenever I can but I'm not going to encourage:

- the balkanization of content that we've seeing

- investment in DRM

- the strengthening of artificial-scarcity-based business models which I think harm innovation more than they help

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#160
post #100

> “We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem,” he said. “If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and m…

Ebooks are the worst offenders IMO. Most stores I’ve seen don’t even tell me the format or DRM, but I’m pretty sure it won’t be an open format

Worst part for me is that even libraries, who want to promote openness and reading, are perfectly comfortable with delivering books using Adobe's horrible DRM delivery solution.
Post reply on HN