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Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

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Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#81

I'm not going to speak about my personal practices, but I find the current landscape of streaming services unusable and unsustainable from a customer perspective. I share a Netflix and Prime account with my parents, and support for that is soon going to end. I don't feel like either of those services provide enough value to me to consider paying for them entirely by myself. The content is mediocre at best, finding an…

My household has one streaming service at a time. We have lists (shared reminder lists in iOS) that we make for whenever a friend mentions a good movie - it goes on the Apple TV list, or Disney plus list, etc. then once enough films build up (can take 2-6 months sometimes) we purchase a subscription and watch all those shows for one month.

this sounds economical but also a major chore

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#82
As I get older I feel that I care less about watching shows and movies, I would rather watch something interesting on YT, read a book, or just do some other hobby.

Music is handled by Spotify and I'm happy with that, Games through Steam which I also like just fine.

I have a netflix subscription, but I rarely use it now and I don't think my parents do either.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#83
I find it immoral to give money to (c)opywrong companies who support Intellectual Slavery.

Their products are also strictly inferior to simply downloading movie files.

I'm older now so am not pirating myself like I used to, but I fight each and every day to try and get momentum going for a Constitutional Amendment in the USA to abolish (c)opywrong and patents laws once and for all: https://breckyunits.com/the-intellectual-freedom-amendment.h...

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#85
Piracy is illegal.

Before I proceed, I have to say that in my personal opinion piracy makes sense when it comes to media, as in music, movies, shows. I feel like application piracy is a different thing. Mainly because with an application you use it a lot, while media, you own a CD, you can listen to it, but it won't be daily for years (like Windows for example). I'm also against book piracy, with the exception of university books because it's predatory.

If I did pirate stuff it would for the exact same reasons why I would have had a pirate FTP server in the 90s.

In the 90s it was because you had to pay multiple fees (or had to buy multiple CDs etc) to get access to media. If you lacked the money, you had no access. As a poor college student, it made sense to use piracy bridged that gap financially.

In the mid 2000s you basically had to use Netflix and Pandora/Spotify/Internet Radio, I have to pay a few fees, and have access, or watch small advertisements and get it for free. At that point piracy would be doing more work to get the same result.

Nowadays you have multiple services, they each have tiny niches which is exactly how Cable TV works in the States, and why piracy made sense in the 90s to begin with. If you like 4 TV shows, there are probably in 4 different streaming apps you need to use. All with their own fees. To make things worse services like Hulu, and others are still going to have advertisements. Essentially you are paying the services to watch a show, and they make money a second time by forcing advertisements down your throat.

That's BS. Maybe I just don't like spending money.

There is another problem about ownership. Anything in the cloud, you don't own, even if you paid for it. $4.99 to get this movie online annoys me. I have no control of it. I can't resell it. Sometimes it's hard to even tell what you own. I rather have it in my hard drive, then I can do what I want to it.

Ultimately though, piracy is about greed and money, both for the pirate and the services that get affected. In the 90s it was about freedom of access. That's not as much an issue case anymore.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#86

As I've gotten older, I think my morals have gotten more defined. I no longer think that piracy is acceptable. Someone spends time and money to produce something, and I think they get the right to sell it however they like. My choice, of course, is to pay for the content, or just not to consume it. I don't believe I have an inherent right to consume any content I want for free. The counter argument is usually that a…

Regarding your last paragraph, could you expand a bit on why you believe that copying creative content does indeed remove something from the author?

I guess the usual argument is that a copy of something cannot, by definition be theft. The author still has the object in question.

Sometimes people counter by saying that a potential sale has been lost, but you can’t steal something that you didn’t have in the first place (the sale). The assumption that someone would have otherwise paid always seems to me a bit of a stretch.

I guess you have thought about this more than i have so I’m curious as to what you’ve come up with.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#87
I'm not there yet, but the fragmentation of movie and tv services is a killer.

I want to watch the latest of , which service is it on? Prime? Netflix? Great. Disney? OK, that has a lot of content we enjoy too.

But there's also Stan, Binge (or NowTV in the UK) ... and wtf? Apple tv? Not really there yet IMHO though the dinosaur thing was good. AMC or Paramount? Now you're just taking the piss. One or two services is fine, but what seems to be happening is the old-school distributors are trying to get in on the game (NowTV/Binge etc) and the production networks are trying to regain access to streaming bucks by pulling a few 'anchor' shows off the other services and putting them on their otherwise execrable offering.

I don't know what the answer is. But I do know I'm already using a VPN to log into the same services in different countries to try and watch stuff, and taking a lot of 'free trials' that I then cancel when I've watched the thing I want.

Piracy has got to be easier! And when it is, it thrives. When paying is easier (Spotify/Deezer/Whatever) then that wins.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#88
I’m not playing the "which service is this show or movie on" game. The alternatives are still a better user experience than buying legit. I have one place where I go for everything and there are no ads anywhere, I'll pay for content but I’m not going to compromise on experience.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#89
post #26

I pirated a lot when I was younger and couldn't afford it. It's a headache I don't need anymore - worrying about VPNs or seedboxes, torrent sites moving to different domains or being shut down, maintaining ratios, letters from your ISP... Nowadays entertainment is quite accessible through subscriptions and I just wait for decent sales on the games I want to play.

Usenet is the answer :) Also, media piracy is much more convenient these days thanks to the excellent media server options (Plex/Emby/Jellyfin) and the *arr suite of apps. You simply add movies and shows to your library and have them “magically” appear in your media server app on release - like a personal streaming service.

This. I just got back into it a couple weeks ago.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

#90
I never wanted to subscribe to multiple streaming services. Netflix was a great solution but having more than one is a deal breaker for me. Password sharing with friends with other services alleviates that but the industry is trending against that practice.

This alone is a dealbreaker for me. Pricing is ridiculous for third world countries.

The competition and drying up of licenses has also diminished a lot of netflix's value. If you think of a random movie, chances are you wont find it there and said chances are steadily diminishing every year.

I think these trends make piracy more and more palatable each day.

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