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Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by Semaphor »

smcl wrote: post #120
Semaphor wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wait till you hear that some circles of the net think using pepe the frog is a racist dog whistle.

Like it or not, Pepe did get co-opted by a weird alt-right subculture, so while it later got reclaimed, for a while there was a good chance posting Pepe meant you were aligned with the alt-right or incel culture. There's an entire documentary on the artist behind it and what happened called "Feels Good Man" it's really quite good: https://www.feelsgoodmanfilm.com/

That felt pretty isolated to US bubbles, though. I had never even heard of it until 3 or so years ago, and on Twitch, Pepe was used throughout it all, including in LBTGQI+ channels.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by gpderetta »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #140

Need to call this bullshit by its name: Microsoft killing their competition. They had just released their own version of stable diffusion in bing a moment ago and now they ban the biggest competition from GitHub. I don't believe they didn't know what they are doing. They definitely have statistics about repo usage and the guy suspending him definitely knew that it's one of the most popular repos out there. Microsoft…

> They had just released their own version of stable diffusion in bing

Did they? I thought that was chatgpt variant.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by gitfan86 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #136
knewter wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I've inferred 90% of a word you didn't write. Verdict is you're racist."

Again, there’s more alleged than just the “n” thing; screenshots of Rimworld titled “Auschwitz”, modding the game by race, mockery of the George Floyd protests. Sometimes we infer things from a combination of evidence.

Which ironically is how white people during the Jim Crow era in the south decided guilt vs innocence of black people accused of crimes. No real evidence just assumptions of circumstances based off of the person's skin color.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by keewee7 »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #140

Need to call this bullshit by its name: Microsoft killing their competition. They had just released their own version of stable diffusion in bing a moment ago and now they ban the biggest competition from GitHub. I don't believe they didn't know what they are doing. They definitely have statistics about repo usage and the guy suspending him definitely knew that it's one of the most popular repos out there. Microsoft…

A1111 did the following things:

- Made a mod removing all non-white characters in a video game.

- Put black people and artists who draw black people in a category/folder called "n".

- Is allegedly also anti-semitic but I don't think the "((()))" thing is proof of that.

I don't think there is anything Micro$ofty going on. Just a racist being banned.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by smcl »

SpEd3Y wrote: post #122
smcl wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub will have removed this because they don't want to be seen hosting racist shit on their platform. They don't want that because as it turns out the vast majority of the population isn't on board with racism, so not doing so would empower their competitors, hurt their brand and affect their bottom line. It's the same with Disney (the "oh a black little mermaid!?" stuff) and all the other the other ultimately bana…

I agree with what you're saying. I don't like racist/homophobic/transphobic behavior but I find it hard to reconcile that with free speech. And I think they only way you can change someone's mind is by allowing free speech and engaging in conversations with them to try to change their minds. Banning them would just make them look for other channels to communicate and find like minded people and their bad ideas will n…

> I find it hard to reconcile that with free speech

I don't know what to say - if you're expecting "free speech" somewhere that has a big TOS you agreed to which doesn't say "hey this is the free speech zone, go nuts!" then you are in for a shock.

The Little Mermaid is an film for kids. Kids aren't "woke" - the only people who care about the skin colour of a fictional character in an animated film are adults. If someone's upset because they see a black person, they might want to take a deep breath and think really hard about what's really bothering them.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by donkeyd »

ceejayoz wrote: post #136
knewter wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I've inferred 90% of a word you didn't write. Verdict is you're racist."

Again, there’s more alleged than just the “n” thing; screenshots of Rimworld titled “Auschwitz”, modding the game by race, mockery of the George Floyd protests. Sometimes we infer things from a combination of evidence.

> Sometimes we infer things from a combination of evidence.

People seem unable to do this. They want to see all of these examples as unrelated things that coincidentally can all be considered racist by wokies. To me, it's a case of walking and swimming and talking like a duck.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ethbr0 »

smcl wrote: post #139
oefrha wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Context is important in theory, but it certainly didn’t stop dijit from deciding that (((disfigured feet))), which they did not quote, was “pretty disgusting”. In this climate, it takes one Twitter personality with a lot of followers to tweet out a “look at this racist” tweet with very vague references to your crimes, and that’s it, you’re a racist to a huge number of people who will probably never look beyond that s…

I have no idea who this "dijit" is, if you're upset with them you should tweet at them. I'm talking about a handful of people on HN pretending not to know that if you were to refer to me as "(((smcl)))" somewhere you are making the statement "hey smcl, I know you're Jewish. I want you to know that, and I want my little alt-right friends to know that too..." edit: ok so digit is one of the people further down the thre…

> I'm talking about a handful of people on HN pretending not to know

I'm a person on HN. I didn't know that.

It's pretty esoteric, and that's coming from someone who's APL-curious.

But then, I don't spend any of my time reading alt-right or anti-alt-right blogs.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by machina_ex_deus »

junklard wrote: post #142
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #140

Need to call this bullshit by its name: Microsoft killing their competition. They had just released their own version of stable diffusion in bing a moment ago and now they ban the biggest competition from GitHub. I don't believe they didn't know what they are doing. They definitely have statistics about repo usage and the guy suspending him definitely knew that it's one of the most popular repos out there. Microsoft…

That sounds incredibly unlikely. I know we all love a good M$ conspiracy theory but this one is far too silly.

They literally got nothing to lose and they can just go "oops, we saw X in the repo and banned by mistake".

There's just no way this is a mistake. I don't believe for a second their internal review systems don't have any safeguards against banning extremely popular repositories without manual oversight, because they must have these safeguards. Other open source repos probably get spurious reports commonly.

These systems always have popularity thresholds for manual oversight because as something gets popular, it gets false reports. It's just fact of life.

Any manual oversight would easily recognize what's going on and would never ban extremely popular repo for a random transgression of its creator in other repo. Not without consulting a manager.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by junklard »

smcl wrote: post #99
violini wrote: post #14

If this really is about racism, as some people are suggesting, it makes me wonder how equitably such TOS-rules would be applied in other cases. For example, if Linus Torvalds turned out to be a racist or sexist or homosexist or transexist, would his Linux repository ( https://github.com/torvalds/linux ) be hammered? Would he be removed from the Linux project somehow?

I think that it would depend: 1. If Linus did a hard-right turn and was doing the right-wing news tour doing transphobic shit, MS and GitHub wouldn't bat an eye 2. If Linus kept a repo of anti-trans poetry or some shit on his GitHub, then yeah he'd quite possibly get booted off This isn't about GitHub being against what they think "AUTOMATIC1111" as a person believes, this is just about what they had on GitHub , and…

Now there's a thought. Maybe what finally resolves the gender imbalance in tech will be the reveal of Linus' secret stash of radfem verse.

A penguin draped in suffragette colours becomes the new mascot. Women across the globe join the open source movement in droves. JK Rowling writes a bestselling guide to Linux kernel development.

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