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Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

I was enrolled to a piano course before I developed interest in music. And then classical guitar. While I knew the theories and excels in mandatory music classes at school, music didn't click at least until a decade later in which I realize my genre isn't popular. I've written some music to date, but it remains a secondary thing compared to other stuffs I'm more passionate about.

In contrast, my little brother was enrolled to drum after he developed interest, in jazz. He has the friends who are passionate with the same kind of music. He built several bands. Not only the music itself, he developed love for analogs, obsessed with building instruments and speakers.

I guess the timing of interest development relative to the push to the direction, and having the right people to reinforce your passion is imperative to the optimal development of "click" to music.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

#172

I've been teaching beginning guitar lessons for about seven years. Guitar is a little different in that, outside of classical guitar, there's very little traditional pedagogy, but from experience I think these things are generally true about most instruments. 1. When you start learning you sound terrible... for a long time. It's very difficult to stay motivated when you can hear your problems. 2. It's very difficult…

Early learning should be focused on musicality and improvisation, not refined performance technique. Historically, even music in the so-called 'classical' tradition was mostly improvised. It's only in the late 19th century or so that technically virtuosic-performance playing of old repertoire became the only known standard of quality; but what those pieces of music were intended for originally was something quite dif…

Totally agree. The general focus on rote learning is quite unfortunate.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

#175

My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

There's a reason for the continued popularity for the piano in western music pedagogy (for the classical/literate tradition at least). The keyboard provides an ordered mapping of the musical scale into physical space, which makes it a lot more intuitive than most other instruments. The keyboard is also supply its own accompaniment, which makes its repertory somewhat independent, and also makes playing arrangements from ensemble and orchestral possible. This means that you can acquire a knowledge of a very large amounts of music first hand, as no doubt many amateurs did before the advent of recording.

For much of the same reason the piano was absolutely indispensable to the composers, as Charles Rosen observed in the first chapter of his Piano Notes:

>The utility of the piano for composing was its neutral and uniform tone color: in theory (although not in reality) the tone quality of the bass is the same as the treble. In any case, the change in tone color over the whole range of the piano is, or should be, gradual and continuous (there are breaks, of course, when the notes go from one string in the bass to two and then to three in the treble). The monochrome piano might be used therefore just for its arrangements of pitches, and the quality of the sound could-absurdly in many cases-be considered secondary.

>Keyboard instruments are the only ones able to realize and control the entire texture of Western polyphonic music.

Of course, the question then becomes, why has the piano held on as a mark of bourgeoisie pretensions when the prestige of the classical tradition has ran aground in the 20th century, and pretty much collapsed in the 21st. The rich and powerful in the west today do not, as a rule, promote their love of classical music nowadays as a status symbol. Elon Musk dated Grimes, presumably at least partially enamored by her reputation as a musician; he did not date a violin virtuoso or a operatic soprano, maybe because he has no emotional connection or particular interest for that type of music. Richard Taruskin has shown that the last US president who at least pretended to a taste in classical music was Nixon, and the electorate certainly did not notice the absence ever since, although there have been notably musical presidents like Clinton. It seems convenient to at least pretend that classical music still enjoys some of its prestige purely for the purposes of using it as a whipping boy and distract the snobbery between genres which has since morphed into snobbery inside each genre. I will be very surprised if someone asserts that classical music forms part of the culture of the elites today. How much does an orchestral musician make? How much is a ticket to a Paul McCartney concert?

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

#176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a black and white thing. They are ways to make learning maths or even the oboe a little less boring. Enough so that kids don't get outright repulsed. But that requires a particular charismatic type of teacher that are probably rare (and very pricey).

Imo it's the same problem at the root: for hard pursuits like teaching or playing music, it's very very hard to get good at it unless you are passionate. Most jobs today are repulsive, instead of attractive, which further deepens the problem.

Some instruments yes, piano is really easy to play. Put your finger down, make noise. And it is actually reasonably easy to make music that makes you feel good. That part is how to get kids.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

#178
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Because it's pointless!

I mean, you're right. Many quit, because they don't see the point. Which, in turn, reflects to some of the problems: the kids' reasons to do it in the first place, which is often just force from the parents, and the second is lack of incentives and/or meaningful positive feedback. So, from a quitting kid's point of view, it's pointless. They don't get anything out of it. And we're wired to get rid of things that we don't get anything out of.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

#179

My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

As a kid (7-8) I was forced to play acoustic guitar for several years. I didnt like any of the music (or much music at all) that I played, and ended up quitting. Later on when I discovered rock and metal music I asked my parents for an electric guitar but they refused, saying I had to play the acoustic I had first and then I could ‘progress’ to electric. I was easily discouraged then so I gave up the idea. I didnt en…

Electric and acoustic guitars are really two very different instruments; a bit like comparing trombones with trumpets. The way you hold and play the basic notes is fairly similar, but the techniques are very different for electric because of the amplification and distortion, and of course the sound is extremely different.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

#180

My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

I was forced to take classical piano for 6 years starting at age 8. Hated it. Begged my parents to let me quit. They wouldn't. Then we moved across the country and they said "Ok, you can quit piano." In my new town I struck up a conversation on the school bus with two kids, one played bass and the other played drums. Said they would get together in the drummer's basement and "jam". "What's this 'jamming' you speak of…

I think that people are taking the (rather implicit) message in the article a bit too literally, and overlook the fact that it also takes interest to continue making music. There's simply no way to overcome the initial technical hurdles: they are quite big, although simpler for piano and guitar than for e.g. violin, and simpler for blues than for classical.

IMO, it's good to push your technical skills, but it's pointless if there's no internal reward. I happened to like classical music as a child, so I was frustrated when my first music school focussed on very simple arrangements of middle-of-the-road music. Switching to someone who taught (simple) Bach was much more rewarding, validating even. My parents did let me play whatever I felt like, though. I played my exercises, but also played popular music by ear (mainly for them, BTW).

So talent is one factor, which can be partially overcome by technical exercises, but interest in the music itself is what kept me playing.

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