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NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
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Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
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> We found that they could not plow the snow effectively – they basically conked out after four hours. We need them to go 12 hours This doesn't sound like they are trying to do short routes or fast charging stations. Rather, it sounds like they want to run their EV plows like they run their regular plows. The majority of LI batteries can be recharged in 1 hour with enough juice. Even if you say "well, it's a truck, s…
If the EV plows aren't drop-in replacements for ICE plows, then they are not fit for service. Be an EV fanboi all you want. There are practical tasks that must be accomplished, and if one option achieves those tasks while another doesn't then the one that couldn't needs to either meet the competition or drop out.
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They also call it "the city that never sleeps" but they misleadingly omit the reason.
Except that it does sleep, and deeply... The bars close really early, cabs get very hard to find shortly after, the streets of Manhattan are deserted. The only thing that’s 24H is some rent a cop telling you not to sit on some park bench.
Have the bars stopped closing at 4am?
Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
#504They did an entirely reasonable linear optimisation on the cost benefit, and it didn't work out.
It's not a forever decision. They can review in the light of changes in power budget and recharge times, battery swap and fuel cost.
I have read elsewhere that PepsiCo who committed to the Tesla truck are sticking to their shorthaul routes as a problem solution at first. Also entirely reasonable, and also probably a well studied cost benefit decision.
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And neither of those things happen in the USA. We kicked England out like 250 years ago, and our general belief is that Europe hasn’t had a good idea since they chose to colonize the Americas. Reasonable people think this is stupid, but we have a lot of unreasonable people here.
If I'm to believe what I read online, especially here on HN, Europe has everything figured out and is so much better than the US. So yes, we do have a lot of unreasonable people here (on HN).
Infrastructure wise, central Europe + Scandinavia has things "figured out", which is what the topic is about.
Transport infrastructure in dense areas is "solved" by reducing individual means of transport and increasing shared means of transport. This doesn't align with hyper-individualistic people seeing car transport as their right.
A "fat government" helps building out shared infrastructure, America doesn't have that.
Some people like sharing and cooperating, some people like living under the false impression that they're independent of society.
In certain states there are still laws around water rights that cause unnecessary shortages that could be solved by cooperation, but the laws are there and the big consumers upstream lobby to keep them that way.
Not saying the US isn't great, you've been the economic powerhouse of the world for awhile now, you have accomplished many great things (research topping my list). I just think somewhere you forgot to invest back into shared infrastructure, and that "ours" is better (with exceptions both ways).
There's a bit of my reasoning, which if you wildly disagree with makes us both unreasonable to eachother, whoever is right is up to the future to decide independent of us two.
Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
#506I'm surprised, I thought the electric engines would supply more torque. Thereby making it easier to plow snow.
It's not a good headline, if you read the article it is mentioned that the tested vehicles could only operate for 4 hours before "conking out". Which I can only assume means they are running out of charge. I would expect the charging time for these niche vehicles is not state-of-the-art and the infrastructure is poor, so that makes sense.
Thanks, I should of read it more thoroughly. Skimmed it instead, did a second pass and noticed a paragraph regarding vehicle charge longevity and the lack of charging stations.
Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
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I was gonna suggest that they could simply share the snow plow vehicles for the rest of the year with other countries (like how we share firefighters with Australia) but then I realized the part of the world that would most likely need them when NYC doesn't is the opposite hemisphere and those vehicles are not easy to ship lol
I don't think it snows enough in big Australian cities :D And there aren't (yet) electric super-jumbo cargo planes to ship these mechanical monstrosities.
Australia isn't the only landmass in the southern hemisphere :P
But yeah fair point. There's pretty few places in the southern hemisphere that are in the mid to high latitudes. I wonder why that is
Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
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I remember a debate here where people were claiming how lawless NYC was for allowing people and services to double-park to load/unload. They should park in a loading zone! You must recognize the general GOP-led campaign that democratic-run places like NYC and CA are nightmares. It was Trump's theme for the 2020 GOP convention, but was overshadowed by Coronavirus. I think it spreads here too. NYC (and CA) need to take…
We also should write off real criticism as a “GOP” campaign. I live in one of their favorite cities to attack (not NYC) and they’re close to spot on
So there's no GOP campaign? We should pretend it doesn't exist? All criticism is "real"?
Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
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Garbage trucks are probably one of the best places for it actually, because they stop so frequently. Unfortunately the article is about plow trucks instead which have a very different use case - New York just happens to use the same vehicles for both so they have a smaller fleet that's not as well suited to either task. For garbage trucks you have stop and go movement so EVs eliminate idling. Given the size of the tr…
> so EVs eliminate idling. The vehicle, when stopped, has other functions to perform. It has hydraulic lifters and compactors that need quite a bit of power to operate. It's a working platform, not a simple garbage transportation mechanism. Even to the extent is isn't for transportation, see how far away the dump is from your home. That distance has to be covered twice at least once a day, and possibly as much as 3 t…
Even to the extent is isn't for transportation, see how far away the dump is from your home.
I may be biased by my experiences. At home the transfer station is about 4 miles away, and at my parents' place that I've been cleaning out it's probably 1.5-2 miles by road - or less than half a mile if I could go up a couple hundred yards of steep forested hillside.