Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996) • Hacker News Board

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by CottonMcKnight » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:47 AM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #9

> it seems like it could make it easy for people to do competitive operating systems. Wow. Losing sleep becasue progress might actually happen in the operating systems space. How very '90s Microsoft.

Also, "make the web totally OS agnostic"? Clutches pearls how will Microsoft control the web if any old operating system is allowed to access it!?

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by hinkley » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:50 AM UTC

I still have a JavaOne tshirt in the back of my closet that says,

   In a World Without Fences, Who Needs Gates?

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by pjmlp » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:51 AM UTC

And nowadays they are an OpenJDK contributor, were part of the companies doing the ARM port, and develop Java support for VSCode in collaboration with Red-Hat.

Meanwhile the chocolate factory has created their own version of ".NET" for phones.

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by pjmlp » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:52 AM UTC

CottonMcKnight wrote: post #11

shmerl wrote: post #9

> it seems like it could make it easy for people to do competitive operating systems. Wow. Losing sleep becasue progress might actually happen in the operating systems space. How very '90s Microsoft.

Also, "make the web totally OS agnostic"? Clutches pearls how will Microsoft control the web if any old operating system is allowed to access it!?

By making everyone install their own browser, including shipping applications with the whole browser alongside the application. /s

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by nequo » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:52 AM UTC

CottonMcKnight wrote: post #11

shmerl wrote: post #9

> it seems like it could make it easy for people to do competitive operating systems. Wow. Losing sleep becasue progress might actually happen in the operating systems space. How very '90s Microsoft.

Also, "make the web totally OS agnostic"? Clutches pearls how will Microsoft control the web if any old operating system is allowed to access it!?

This did end up happening though (although not so much due to Java as to JavaScript etc.).

It was important for Microsoft to anticipate this and pivot from relying too much on Windows on the desktop. And they tried pivoting left and right with the Xbox, Azure, .NET, their early tablets (which Steve Jobs famously discounted because they needed a stylus) and so on.

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by dang » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:52 AM UTC

Fatnino wrote: post #2

(1996)

Added. Thanks!

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by tluyben2 » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:53 AM UTC

mccorrinall wrote: post #6

Javabeans give me nightmares too

My first successful company sold EJBs. It was a nice hype; simple to get into and go from sitting in your underwear in the attic to 10s of millions of revenue and contracts and sitting at Fortune 1000 corps with the cto. And of course learning (me as a university student and geek still) rapidly that enterprise software is not about software but about process, support, sla, contracts, consultancy (we went from 400 devs to 400 IT consultants in an afternoon ugh), continuity, XML and communication.

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by eddsh1994 » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:53 AM UTC

> Virtual worlds could be such a thing

Haha, Metaverse talk while Zuckerberg was in preschool

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by htag » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:54 AM UTC

Why was the "extinguish" step in "embrace and extend" left out?

Re: Bill Gates: I'm literally losing sleep over Java (1996)

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Post by deschutes » Thu, Jan 05, 2023, 5:58 AM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #9

> it seems like it could make it easy for people to do competitive operating systems. Wow. Losing sleep becasue progress might actually happen in the operating systems space. How very '90s Microsoft.

Wait until you see what Apple has been at for the last 15 years.