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Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

I started playing guitar at around age 15 just by myself. I met a friend in my chemistry class who taught me about the Beatles. I got super obsessed with them and really wanted to play their songs. Got a guitar and never thought twice about what I should play. It was always , all Beatles all the time. I loved it. I was hooked. That taught me the basic chords, barre chords, some soloing etc. Lots of great songs from beginner to advanced.

Then one day, my cousin bought me a discography CD pack of Rush CDs. I heard Fly By Night and I knew I HAD to learn to play it. That resulted in about a five year streak of obsessive Rush disorder. I was again, hooked. Now on more advanced music. I wanted to learn all the songs. I even formed a little tribute band with a few other people.

Now, I have a classical guitar sitting next to the couch and I sometimes come and sit and just noodle around. Just enjoy the sounds, the feel of the strings against my fingers, the satisfaction of discovering an assembly of notes to play that sound special.

It's been about 15 years now. Not once did I think I needed to learn something on the guitar because somebody told me I had to. I always learned something in pursuit of learning the next song.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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I've been teaching beginning guitar lessons for about seven years. Guitar is a little different in that, outside of classical guitar, there's very little traditional pedagogy, but from experience I think these things are generally true about most instruments. 1. When you start learning you sound terrible... for a long time. It's very difficult to stay motivated when you can hear your problems. 2. It's very difficult…

What I think is also very important is to have a love of music. Have a band you really like. Have a bunch of songs you really want to learn to play. Playing an instrument takes just as much listening as playing.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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Possibly because of the amount of pressure that the parents put on the children. Just because the parent likes music doesn't mean that the kid has to like music too.

As a result of this, the child will end up having a hatred towards the musical form and will never even try to give 100%, and without trying no-one can know that they have talent.

A solution to this would be to make it only optional - but then again there'd be the lazy talented ones who don't want to try anything

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

As an example of an opposite situation that proves your point:

I started classical music lessons very early as a kid. I was one of those weird kids that ended up liking classical music anyways, but I also had a deep love for movie soundtracks. My parents encouraged me to play anything I liked. Which I did -- movie soundtracks. They'd go around bragging to other parents how their little kid learned these soundtracks by ear too.

I still play to this day, and have branched out into many different genres. Them being supportive for the idea that this is an expression of myself, and praising my efforts, really cemented playing musical instruments as a core part of my identity.

Not a parent yet, but I hope I can pass along this chain of positivity to my own in the future.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

Same story here with piano lessons - I wanted to write my own music! I would come up with interesting sounds when practicing, and wanted to learn how to develop those further.

Nope! Class time rolled around and it was forty five minutes of posture posture posture and finger movements. Mrs. Bell didn’t care about the interesting music I had created, she just wanted me to tick off silly boxes and follow “the plan”.

I’ve barely touched a piano since.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

yeah and when those kids do manage to practice, i see they often turns into highly technical, but less musically developed players.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

It is interesting how people have similar experiences, but different outcomes. I have a brother who owns about 12 different guitars, a keyboard, and other instruments. He spends a ton of time making his own music and putting it on Spotify. But he will tell you that the most important thing in his musical career was learning to play classical music on the piano as a child because it taught him music theory and techniques that have made him a better musician than he would be otherwise.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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Don't you think most kids would also choose to quit maths or history or any other boring subject at school too? This article skirts around the fact that I think is the reason kids quit 90+% of the time: the kids just don't want to do it but their parents are forcing them.

How many young kids actually, genuinely want to play a violin/flute/clarinet? I'd wager very, very few. I don't think it is the teaching method at fault here, it's just that probably very few kids want to play an instrument.

Of course kids will quit boring/tedious stuff when they are not forced/compelled to continue. You can't just opt out of learning maths (at least in the UK you can't anyway), but music "lessons" are obviously optional (in the UK there is/was music classes that taught theory, reading music notation etc to the entire class, but not how to play a specific instrument).

My kids are still too young, but when it happens I am strongly going to lobby for them learning an instrument that at least has the possibility of them seeming cool to their peers (so e.g. guitar or drums or whatever) and so something they are more likely to want to continue, rather than forcing Mozart + oboe on a 14 year old or whatever.

Re: Kids and music lessons: why do many promising players quit early?

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My mom made me and both of my brothers take 9 years of piano lessons. Today, not one of us plays - I don't think any of us even has a keyboard in our houses. The reason for this is simply that we were never allowed to play the kind of music we liked . Which was, of course, rock. Or blues, or country. Or, really, anything with a beat. Nope; it was all classical all the time. And piano lessons were the only time we wer…

Same story here with piano lessons - I wanted to write my own music! I would come up with interesting sounds when practicing, and wanted to learn how to develop those further. Nope! Class time rolled around and it was forty five minutes of posture posture posture and finger movements. Mrs. Bell didn’t care about the interesting music I had created, she just wanted me to tick off silly boxes and follow “the plan”. I’v…

Oof. I'm so sorry to hear that. The sounds you discovered on your own were the start of your own personal vocabulary. That's you following your ear and following the pleasure of the sound itself. That's the most important part.

The technique is important, but it's often for nothing if it's not in support of a distinct musical voice.

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