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Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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But I just saw this commercial on TV where Mathew McSomethingOrOther led legions of happy looking people through the streets of a city pledging to change how the world works all because of Salesforce.com . It looked like an expensive commercial. I know I'd sign up if I could. Is this the first step? How exciting.

I am also partial to this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duJwGSUhRQA

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Whenever I look at client’s Salesforce setups, I always wonder in the back of my mind what they will do if Salesforce has a significant down-turn? The lock-in to the platform appears to be very fierce. Are there viable routes to exit Salesforce if anyone ever needed to? (Note: I’m not saying Salesforce is doomed or anything, just the layoffs got me thinking in that direction theorically).

If they're already paying for Salesforce, they're presumably okay with the current feature set.

Why worry about the company having economic issues, unless it means degraded service or it getting shut off?

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Ex employee here. Salesforce was the most laid back, rest and vest, coasting culture in my experience. Generous employee benefits, absolutely no work pressure. They took pride in their work life balance. Many employees (in product and marketing) were just focusing on (flavor of the day) activism - BLM, AAPI, GLBT, Homelessness in SFO. I always wondered if these employees had any 'actual job' in the company or their m…

Can you describe what changes you think should be made to that culture? How do you balance what sounds like great work/life balance and awareness of Salesforce's impact outside of strictly its business activities, which is something I'd expect from a "good" employer, with the potential downsides of (paraphrasing your words) "employees focusing on [not an "actual job"]"? Do you think those colleagues didn't contribute…

Yeah IMO those colleagues didn't pull their weight to justify their titles (Sr. Director whatever). While Salesforce's titles are very inflated (Director at Salesforce maps to L6 in other companies), these were still senior talented folks drawing good salaries. I never saw if actually delivered something. Salesforce ecosystem (Salesforce partners, consultants, customers etc) is great. but I am not very convinced by Salesforce's impact outside of its business activities. Their 1-1-1 pledge or stakeholder capitalism model isn't genuine. These are PR stunts where Salesforce could post some rainbow flag pictures or Matthew Mc's videos about global warming on social media. During my tenure at Salesforce it was possible to work for single digit hours per week and still be a top performer. The rest of the 'work' time was occupied by team socials, VTO activities and other shenanigans.

Having said that the number one thing Salesforce should culturally do is put more focus on what it's customers need. It is a sales and marketing organization, which it is very very very good at. But you can't just keep up by upselling stuff to customers. If you don't keep your customers happy, all this WLB doesn't really help.

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Why would anyone wake up to an email at 3AM?

Perhaps I phrased that wrong. When we woke up at (roughly at 6:30), she saw a work email on her phone announcing the layoffs.

No, it was me, didn’t read carefully enough. Thank you and hope your wife finds a balanced job soon!

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Sure, if we roll out some sort of socialized medical coverage. At least for my family, stability of medical coverage is a major impediment to changing jobs.

I continue to not understand the position that the default provider of health insurance has to be either your employer or the government. What makes it fundamentally different from housing, food, or transportation, where you just pay money and there's assistance for people who can't afford it?

Group negotiating power.

Tax implications (maybe - not sure how the credits/deductions work today).

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Nothing that immigration won't solve. You have hoardes of young people from South Asia, Africa that will come up and fill any money making opportunity in the states.

Not when US immigration policy is so restrictive and hostile. We are actively preventing our own prosperity in the pursuit of protectionism.

Immigration can lower wages of existing citizens that are theoretically who a democratic government and its policies should be working for

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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"My preference is the current state of things so I pretend that it wasn't forced on people in just the same way I accuse others with different preferences of doing." Welcome to "government is the means by which a group of people make collective decisions about the way we want our city/state/country to work." When striving for liberty, the thing we actually want, anarchy is just as much a preference as order.

Yeah, liberty is totally defined by draconian policies on employers/companies to give hand-outs for lay offs. If that's the case, we need to mandate employees give 3 months notice, for the employer to backfill the position properly. Its only fair.

Literally nothing could be considered a handout to your own employee. By definition they’re selling their labor to you for a public contract called “legally being an employee” which comes with obligations on the part of the employee and employer.

Everything else is haggling over the specific details. If we decide that one of those employer obligations is to provide guaranteed runaway for employees in the case of termination then that’s that. If we decide that one of the employee’s obligations is providing 3 months of notice then that’s also that. But the two things aren’t at all related except in your mind.

Right now today with no change in policy whatsoever you have to make the choice as to weather you are willing and able meet your obligations as an employer before taking on employees and you have as much say and the same votes as everyone else to decide what those obligations are.

Fairness informs but does not ultimately decide the employer employee relationship. The only thing we get for sure if the system works is that over time it tends toward what is considered fair by the current working citizens.

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Would love that podcast if you’re familiar

I think it was in https://open.spotify.com/episode/75monukXnzL7qRlKVMrIpO?si=f... towards the end. Here’s a summary https://twitter.com/davidsacks/status/1598076726671642624?la...

Yes I think so! Thanks

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Ex employee here. Salesforce was the most laid back, rest and vest, coasting culture in my experience. Generous employee benefits, absolutely no work pressure. They took pride in their work life balance. Many employees (in product and marketing) were just focusing on (flavor of the day) activism - BLM, AAPI, GLBT, Homelessness in SFO. I always wondered if these employees had any 'actual job' in the company or their m…

Wasn't this promoted from the very top? Marc Benioff's fetishization of Hawaiian culture and the whole Ohana thing. They only slowed down with it a few years ago. But they were always awkwardly promoting a prosocial conscious image. https://www.thedailybeast.com/salesforce-is-ditching-its-awk...

Yes it was absolutely promoted from the top. There was a meditation room in Salesforce tower as well as regional headquarters. We had meditation experts and monks (remember Gavin Belson's spiritual friend from Silicon Valley?) join all hands meetings. During pandemic there were biweekly wellness hours on EVERYONE's calendar where people could optionally do guided meditation for a couple of hours. Just last year I saw they announced some wellness ranch. Probably a five star holiday resort for employees I guess. (I wasn't employee then so just guessing). Employees were required to put in VTO hours every year. VTO goals were part of many team's V2MOM (just google this acronym for details). I am not sure if Salesforce bean counters considered ROI due to this PR branding when it was strictly enforced, nevertheless it wasn't contributing to improvement in quality of products, innovation, customer's experience and revenues.

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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I really hope that I get laid off in the first round of these layoffs where everyone gets good severance. My current worry is that the first round of layoff at my first company will get 4 months severance, I'll miss that round, and 2 months later get laid off with only 2 months severance. This would of course mean that my severance ends at the same times as the first group but I had to work an additional 2 months.

It could always be worse. I got laid off last month with 2 1/2 weeks of severance. And of course there are plenty of industries outside of tech where severance itself is an alien concept.

My first full time programming job I got laid off (or terminated anyway, they got rid of 25% of the small staff) at 90 days, and my severance was being paid to finish the project as a contractor. I took the offer of course.
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