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‘Breakthrough’ obesity drugs that have stunned researchers
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#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
Case in point, "fat fuck" and "old shit that's dealt with" shouldn't normally belong to the same argument
And why not?
For one, it's a value judgement, and the mind that makes it more often than not applies the same judgements to oneself, leading to feelings that not everyone can convert to constructive action. Hence avoidance by addictions, one of which can be food.
Also it implies disrespect and ignorance of the reasons why someone eats more than is considered healthy. It's a mockery of a person's perceived failure to adapt to abstract adversity. And someone who had psychological issues with addiction and dealt with them would be very unlikely to mock these things.
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#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
Disagree. People genuinely enjoy those foods, because they're tasty and flavorful. And there's zero reason to believe that they're substantially unhealthy unless consumed to the point of sustained caloric surplus. We know this because we have hunter-gatherer populations who consume 50% of their diets in sugar (e.g. the Hadza) or fats (e.g. Intuit), and they have none of the diseases of abundance found in modern popul…
You know that if you cut all sugar for just 2 days things with very little sugar will taste very sweet? We do not need the excessive amount of sugar in our food to fully enjoy it. The general public is just totally numb to it because of over consumption and companies are literally competing on having the sweater product.
This is an extreme hyperbole. While this does happen, it takes much more like 4-8w in my experience.
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#294> “I’m really hesitant to be excited about something that I think is potentially harmful from a weight stigma perspective,” says Sarah Nutter, a psychologist at the University of Victoria in Canada, who specializes in weight stigma and body image. Putting the word "stigma" on things is a sure sign of a grifter. Instead of helping solve it, they're trying to make it a social science problem. Being overweight is unheal…
Down's Syndrome is also unhealthy. Should we stigmatize that also? The main issue is control. Many assume that weight is simple and under people's full control. Realistically, though, there are all kinds of reasons why weight gain happens and scientific measurement shows that wild animals are getting bigger too which suggests that pervasive presence of endocrine disrupting agents in the environment may be involved. I…
It is rather dishonest to compare a chromosomal disorder with obesity, don't you think? Trisomy 21 is a condition one is born with and has no control over. On the other hand it has been demonstrated time and time again that behavioral and diet changes can be used to control obesity.
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#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Diabetes and Chronic Kidney Disease kill more quickly if not under control. These drugs keep diabetes under control..and diabetics like my wife are unable to get their meds because people are buying these off the shelf to lose weight. This seems to be a short term problem, and the solution is to simply make more of the drug to match demand.
> and the solution is to simply make more of the drug to match demand which unfortunately might not align with the incentives of capitalism.
If "Capitalism" involved the conscious coordination of all industry to maximize consumption, perhaps not. But in the terms of, raise money to buy a factory, have factory produce goods, sell goods, there seems to be a huge market for these, quite expensive, goods.
edit: You could even argue, in a conspiratorial mind, that by getting people addicted to sugar ($0.0002 / mg) in order to then get them addicted to a drug that costs ($10/mg) is peak "Capitalism"
Re: ‘Breakthrough’ obesity drugs that have stunned researchers
#296> “I’m really hesitant to be excited about something that I think is potentially harmful from a weight stigma perspective,” says Sarah Nutter, a psychologist at the University of Victoria in Canada, who specializes in weight stigma and body image. Putting the word "stigma" on things is a sure sign of a grifter. Instead of helping solve it, they're trying to make it a social science problem. Being overweight is unheal…
The new idea (mostly in the West) that being obese is/can be a healthy lifestyle is absolutely maddening. People being obese (and I don't mean a few pounds overweight) raises everyone's healthcare cost, because it is incredibly unhealthy and obese people tend to have more complications which requires more treatment, workers and subsidizing. It's not just an individual problem, it's a societal problem. There's a new "…
Overton window, and people giving up is why it’s happening.
And yeah, we’re all living in bizarro world.
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#297(From a position of significant ignorance) It seems there is not a strong consensus on what has caused the great increase in obesity of the past fifty years, perhaps throwing greater effort in that direction would be a better long term solution ? To my mind it's strange that there seems to be a circular argument which starts with sedentary life style and "bad" foods cause obesity so exercise and diet control seems li…
I would encourage you to revise your summary. We don't know what the third-order drivers of obesity are, but we absolutely know that caloric surplus is the primary driver, and that surplus is driven by both lower energy expenditure (sedentary lifestyle) and increased caloric intake (junk food). There are other causes for individuals, but not at a population level.
The question is much more: why did people start moving less & eating more? Each have complex factors (less physical jobs, increased wealth, food addictiveness, cultural shifts, etc.), and on THOSE, there's lots of debate.
But we absolutely know what causes obesity at a population level.
Re: ‘Breakthrough’ obesity drugs that have stunned researchers
#298> “I’m really hesitant to be excited about something that I think is potentially harmful from a weight stigma perspective,” says Sarah Nutter, a psychologist at the University of Victoria in Canada, who specializes in weight stigma and body image. Putting the word "stigma" on things is a sure sign of a grifter. Instead of helping solve it, they're trying to make it a social science problem. Being overweight is unheal…
The new idea (mostly in the West) that being obese is/can be a healthy lifestyle is absolutely maddening. People being obese (and I don't mean a few pounds overweight) raises everyone's healthcare cost, because it is incredibly unhealthy and obese people tend to have more complications which requires more treatment, workers and subsidizing. It's not just an individual problem, it's a societal problem. There's a new "…
>The new idea (mostly in the West) that being obese is/can be a healthy lifestyle is absolutely maddening.
We took the extreme of anorexia being healthy to obesity being healthy. The fact is neither extreme is healthy. Being not anorexic is not the same as being obese, there's a huge range of fairly healthy weights in between the two in terms of body fat percentages and muscle ratios.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is the woman being shown as fit? Or as someone who would like the product with a goal to become more fit?
She is wearing fitness clothing and doing what appears to be yoga. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgOCWbqjgo Advertisements used to be aspirational. They either still are and people's aspirations have changed, or they are not and there's some other more current explanation for why this ad and others act as a mirror showing a person who they already are (fat) rather than who they aspire to be (not fat). Said another…
> there's nothing explicitly stating
Are the fitness goals of the other 2 actors explicitly stated?
Should fitness products only advertise with actors who are ALREADY fit and maintaining that fitness?
What exactly are you expecting? How exactly do you want fat people to be portrayed in advertisements for fitness that allows them to attempt to get fit?
Re: ‘Breakthrough’ obesity drugs that have stunned researchers
#300> “I’m really hesitant to be excited about something that I think is potentially harmful from a weight stigma perspective,” says Sarah Nutter, a psychologist at the University of Victoria in Canada, who specializes in weight stigma and body image. Putting the word "stigma" on things is a sure sign of a grifter. Instead of helping solve it, they're trying to make it a social science problem. Being overweight is unheal…
The new idea (mostly in the West) that being obese is/can be a healthy lifestyle is absolutely maddening. People being obese (and I don't mean a few pounds overweight) raises everyone's healthcare cost, because it is incredibly unhealthy and obese people tend to have more complications which requires more treatment, workers and subsidizing. It's not just an individual problem, it's a societal problem. There's a new "…
Has the health care cost been studied? I wouldn't be surprised if morbidly obese people are cheaper in the long run due to a reduced lifespan (kinda like how smokers can be cheaper than nonsmokers-they may cost more to ensure before retirement age, but it more than evens out when you looked at reduced years after that point)