I was thinking about vehicles that can't switch to electric power. The tech's not there yet, and may never be. Cargo ships. Jumbo jets. Military aircraft. Specialized industrial vehicles, such as those used for mines. Unless these use cases are made obsolete (possible, such as military) society will depend on fossil fuels for many decades to come.
NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
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#162Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
#163Why are they using garbage trucks to plow snow? Looks, I get that I'm biased being in Canada, but do they understand that you can buy dedicated vehicles for plowing snow ? They're called... snowplows. They're pretty fantastic. You need garbage trucks every day, all year. Electrify those. You need snowplows on a handful of days per year- and that number is falling thanks to climate change. So buy purpose-built snowplo…
Why have garbage trucks at all when you can have a series of tubes to transport garbage?
Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
#164* They solve the power availability problem
* They reduce the need for batteries, reducing cost and waste from manufacturing and disposal.
* They could be used for electrifying other vehicles like buses
* Their ROI seems especially high in dense cities, especially NY: One overhead wire serves all the traffic on the road below. Plus, dense cities like NY already have infrastructure citywide, and experience servicing it.
* What if we could provide power to electric cars in NYC. That could be transformative. I don't know that electric wires would be the best form for that, or how it could be done (is there a safe way to embed something in the ground?).
* Some point out that the garbage trucks need to cover almost every street in the city. The power supply doesn't have to do that; it only has to be available enough to charge the vehicles sufficietly to plow/pickup on the side street and return to the main road.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does "take a toll" mean? Sorry to be difficult but people tell me a lot of things will damage my car in the long term, but I haven't been able to reproduce any of those problems yet. The only thing that damaged my car was putting too much oil in it, that caused it to fail nearly immediately, and was covered by the warranty so it was free to replace the whole engine.
Eh, your car will run a little shitty with the old gas, leaving an engine without running it for extended periods can cause somewhat faster corrosion depending on your environment, and old gas can increase things like various gunk getting deposited around your engine. All in all, a mild shortening of the life of your engine and perhaps triggering some maintenance sooner than otherwise. Realistically, not much. The pe…
I also only have the oil changed every 10K miles which horrifies my friends.
Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
#166Battery operated garbage trucks don't sound like a great idea, at least for all day use. With the push for EV I am not sure why we aren't seeing a push for the installation of streetcar power lines, these already exist and are used for busses. If we have a garbage truck that has the battery capacity for say 30 minutes, then it could be on the power line for the majority of the time. This would limit battery waste as…
The power lines that trolleybuses use don’t cover an entire city. They’re only installed on the routes the buses are scheduled to run on, and only for the parts of the streets buses will use. They’re like train tracks in that way, but hanging in the air instead of embedded in the ground. Garbage truck fleets are expected to cover every street and every block in their service area which adds up to more of a city than…
Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
#167It's discussed elsewhere in the thread, but overehead wires seem appealing: * They solve the power availability problem * They reduce the need for batteries, reducing cost and waste from manufacturing and disposal. * They could be used for electrifying other vehicles like buses * Their ROI seems especially high in dense cities, especially NY: One overhead wire serves all the traffic on the road below. Plus, dense cit…
Re: NYC officials say they can't find EV garbage trucks powerful enough to plow snow
#168It's discussed elsewhere in the thread, but overehead wires seem appealing: * They solve the power availability problem * They reduce the need for batteries, reducing cost and waste from manufacturing and disposal. * They could be used for electrifying other vehicles like buses * Their ROI seems especially high in dense cities, especially NY: One overhead wire serves all the traffic on the road below. Plus, dense cit…
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why have garbage trucks at all when you can have a series of tubes to transport garbage?
NYC technically already has this in Roosevelt Island.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
NYC has 30,000 streets and only a handful of days of snow in the year. By having garbage trucks that can deal with a few inches of snow, you avoid the need of buying dozens of dedicated vehicles that will rot 360 days a year.
> only a handful of days of snow in the year I know modern economy has gone full-JIT but I naively wish we could just stop in this case and.. wait. Then this question of truck fleet would be moot.
Congratulations, you shut off logistics and emergency services for a population the size of Virginia.