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Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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Re: Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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I had one of these as a kid! I could never get the "glow plug" engine to actually fire up, though, so I was never able to fly it. Sounds like I missed out on a spectacular crash.

glow plugs are pretty easy to start - stupid question, but you did have a big battery to power the plug?

Yes, it was a big dry cell - there's a wire in the cylinder that glows orangey-red when powered (it was easy to unscrew the cylinder head to inspect the 'glowplug'.

Re: Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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The fun thing to do with the engines was to start them standalone, point them straight up and let go. They'd go shooting up into the sky until torque reaction made them spin fast enough to stop fuel getting to the engine - at which point they'd pop and misfire, and tumble back to earth (sometimes restarting on the way back down.

To this day I have scarred fingers from playing with these model engines.

Re: Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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Oh my. I got a then already very old Russian compression ignition engine like this [0] as a child. It needed a mix of petroleum, aether and rhizinus oil and was extremely hard to start. I did not have any spring or electrical starter and it took forever. Will never forget the sound and smell once it ran though.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbureted_compression_ignit...

Re: Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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from the article it seems it's not a true "glow plug" heating element like one may use to start a diesel engine. my impression was the engine is so small the radiant heat of the engine is what causes the fuel to ignite in the chamber - seems tough to start cold

diesels don't have a glow plug. a glow plug has a radiant coil that ignites the fuel, and then the heat of the engine keeps it firing, which is different from diesel fuel.a diesel engine depends on heating the fuel via compression with the energy being provided by the human flicking it. there is no battery input to a model aero diesel engine. a car diesel engine uses a starter motor to provide the initial compression…

Just about every single automotive diesel engine sold since the 1950s is equipped with glow plugs, so the above post might be confusing.

Automotive diesel glow plugs do not ignite the fuel; they lower the required compression in cold weather by warming up the air going into the combustion chamber.

They're not the same things as glow plugs found in methanol-fueled model engines, which also do not ignite the fuel directly, but serve as a catalyst so the methanol can combust via compression instead of electric ignition.

When talking about glow plugs, it's important to specity the sort you're talking about and the context in which your discussion is taking place.

Re: Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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Or a missing finger. Those things are pretty nasty to get going without a starter motor. Some of them come with a spring loaded starter, those are a little bit safe, but the ones that you start manually are really nasty. edit: Hah, that's actually mentioned in the article.

it won't cut off your finger, but it will hurt!

It can do much worse...

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=60153

Really, the mechanical integrity of the motor/plane mount and everything else comes into play when the thing starts up and if you're not treating it with all of the respect that it deserves you can get hurt very badly. I used to live right next door to a model airfield and more than one person left that field with serious injuries from spinning props. Starting them is the most obvious moment when things are dangerous but then the speed is still quite low, once they rev up you are much better off not to be in front of them or in the plane of rotation.

Electrics aren't much safer. These models are nothing short of amazing but the safety issues are very often overlooked and minimized.

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diesels don't have a glow plug. a glow plug has a radiant coil that ignites the fuel, and then the heat of the engine keeps it firing, which is different from diesel fuel.a diesel engine depends on heating the fuel via compression with the energy being provided by the human flicking it. there is no battery input to a model aero diesel engine. a car diesel engine uses a starter motor to provide the initial compression…

Just about every single automotive diesel engine sold since the 1950s is equipped with glow plugs, so the above post might be confusing. Automotive diesel glow plugs do not ignite the fuel; they lower the required compression in cold weather by warming up the air going into the combustion chamber. They're not the same things as glow plugs found in methanol-fueled model engines, which also do not ignite the fuel direc…

i admit i am not an expert on modern auto diesels (i remember my brother muttering about having problems with this on his Merc). but 1960's model diesel engines did not require a battery to start them.

Re: Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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Just about every single automotive diesel engine sold since the 1950s is equipped with glow plugs, so the above post might be confusing. Automotive diesel glow plugs do not ignite the fuel; they lower the required compression in cold weather by warming up the air going into the combustion chamber. They're not the same things as glow plugs found in methanol-fueled model engines, which also do not ignite the fuel direc…

i admit i am not an expert on modern auto diesels (i remember my brother muttering about having problems with this on his Merc). but 1960's model diesel engines did not require a battery to start them.

Mercedes diesels were push-startable well into the 1980s. They still had glowplugs (even in the 60s) and if you did have a battery they would heat up the precombustion chamber to lighten the load on the starter motor.

Re: Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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it won't cut off your finger, but it will hurt!

It can do much worse... https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=60153 Really, the mechanical integrity of the motor/plane mount and everything else comes into play when the thing starts up and if you're not treating it with all of the respect that it deserves you can get hurt very badly. I used to live right next door to a model airfield and more than one person left that field with serious injuries from spinnin…

depends on the capacity (and hence torque) of the engine, a sensible person would always wear a thick glove! besides, kids back then were pretty impervious to injury.

Re: Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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The 70s really were another country - see also: chemistry sets. These are pale and anodyne things now with a mere handful of bland household-level chemicals - assuming you can even find one in a toy shop at all. But as a lad these were both readily available and full of dozens of intriguing substances that would send a modern health and safety wonk into apoplexy. Who among us did not incinerate all of the supplied magnesium in a short series of pyrotechnic orgies? Merit was the go-to brand in the UK, but I also had a set from an American company that contained, among other exotica, potassium ferrocyanide. This is decidedly non-lethal but the very name never failed to send a poisoner's frisson through my teenage brain.

Re: Fun, danger, and 70s airplane toys

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I remember these as a kid! I always wanted an RC version, but couldn’t afford one until I was an adult.

The minibee ? Microbee? I can’t remember what the engine was called was so small!

I still love the smell of castor oil to this day.

If you built one from a guillows kit, it really was more emotionally painful when it crashed than anything else.

The little engines were really pretty safe - even hand starting with a stick.

Once you got to an 0.25 or a 0.46 you might have a bad time.

My favorite plane though, wasn’t control line, it was actually a much much much later hanger 9 alpha. Technically a trainer. But I put a much larger engine on it. (Though the evolution .60 on it was amazing in an Escapade .40 …) (Actually the escapade .40 might be a good second…)

I still have a control line somewhere… though I think it was cloth covered.

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