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Re: Louisiana now requires a government ID to access Pornhub

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Why do you regret it, specifically? Did you notice any negative effects on your life? (Not trolling. I also started watching porn at a young age and I wonder if it had any negative effect on my development.)

Watching porn is a natural part of growing up. It's almost unavoidable.

This doesn't mean it is a good thing. There are literally 0 benefits of it and many negatives.

Re: Louisiana now requires a government ID to access Pornhub

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I would be super curious to know how this impacts adult usage. Adding an ID verification must bounce a lot of users. I could see it maybe not mattering as much because PornHub has such a strong market position (they also own basically all of the other mainstream sites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MindGeek) but I could also see it mattering a more because people may be especially cagey about tying their ID to their private browsing habits. If that is the case this could potentially kill large sites in favor of a lot of smaller sketchier sites that are more difficult to regulate.

Re: Louisiana now requires a government ID to access Pornhub

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No. But it's unconstitutional to require an id to get a book.

First, we are talking about internet porn, not porn books or magazines or whatever you seem to be talking about. Secondly, you are going to have to explain the difference between a book and a gun constitutionally. If requiring an ID is disenfranchisement of a right when it comes to books then it is for guns as well.

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Re: Louisiana now requires a government ID to access Pornhub

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No. But it's unconstitutional to require an id to get a book.

First, we are talking about internet porn, not porn books or magazines or whatever you seem to be talking about. Secondly, you are going to have to explain the difference between a book and a gun constitutionally. If requiring an ID is disenfranchisement of a right when it comes to books then it is for guns as well.

This may contain some informative details about the constitutional analysis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Entertainment_Merchan...

> First, we are talking about internet porn, not porn books or magazines or whatever you seem to be talking about.

I have not, on the other hand, seen a free speech analysis hinge on the medium of delivery.

Re: Louisiana now requires a government ID to access Pornhub

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I fear this will be a stalking horse for full digital identity, and eventually squashing all anonymous speech. The best solution here would be to force all adult sites to require a minimum monthly payment from a credit card. Blocks underage users and helps tackle addiction.

I agree it could be a stalking horse as things often are. Can't just boil the frogs.

On the other hand I do not agree that people should require credit cards. For ages there has been a single line HTTP header that can be added to a site or even to the meta-data in HTML itself to identify adult content. A law could require all user-content sites to implement the header and require all browser apps, operating systems, mobile devices to make a best-effort attempt and requiring a parental control system that approve-lists domains that have the adult content header.

A panel of the best UX designers in the industry could draft the RFC for device/browser updates and the law could reference the RFC. A panel of parents could test the beta versions.

In NGinx it looks like this:

    location / { add_header Rating 'RTA-5042-1996-1400-1577-RTA'; }
In HAProxy it looks like this:

    http-response set-header Rating "RTA-5042-1996-1400-1577-RTA"
I do not know how to add this to Envoy or Caddy.

This puts the control and liability of the approval on the parent and they don't even need to be technically savvy at all. This also puts the liability to self-label a site on the site owner/administrator and they can each have instructions in a standard location on the site how to enable parental controls in apps/devices after such a law requires devices to have this functionality created in a standard and simple way that just looks for the header. Despite being meant for adult content there is nothing stopping this from being used for user-generated content domains. The end goal would simply be to provide a method of parental controls per domain or globally.

Most important, this method provides zero tracking of who is into what and does not leak financial or PII data.

How to enforce this? Crawlers find user generated site, people submit user generated sites. No header? 3 attempts are made to contact the domains admin/technical contact. 4th attempt domain(s) are seized.

Re: Louisiana now requires a government ID to access Pornhub

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I think it's really important to protect children from this type of content. I'm not necessarily against these kinds of blocks but I don't think they'll be effective because there will always be extremely easy ways to bypass them (use a VPN, find a website that isn't beholden to US laws, etc etc etc). IMO the best approach is to ensure parents are technically competent and knowledgeable enough to be able to configure…

Why are you driven to control the information consumed by your children?

Re: Louisiana now requires a government ID to access Pornhub

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I would be super curious to know how this impacts adult usage. Adding an ID verification must bounce a lot of users. I could see it maybe not mattering as much because PornHub has such a strong market position (they also own basically all of the other mainstream sites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MindGeek ) but I could also see it mattering a more because people may be especially cagey about tying their ID to their…

My license is currently expired so I don't think I could even complete the process if I were willing to make an account with AllPassTrust.

And I definitely don't desire or trust LAWallet.

So PornHub is dead to me unless I vpn/tunnel/tor (or discover a bypass which I assume is based on some cookie values from a brief look at the JS).

Re: Louisiana now requires a government ID to access Pornhub

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I started probably as a 12 year old but don't regret it. That being said, I think the main thing for teens or whoever to understand is that these are actors and this is purely an entertainment production. Most women are not interested in non-emotional, non-intimate sex (although a small minority is), but watching porn at a young age might give you the impression that it's the case.

> I think the main thing for teens or whoever to understand is that these are actors and this is purely an entertainment production Do you think that will be the case for the majority of preteens? Maybe once you become a teenager you can better understand, but the average age of first viewing porn is before the teenage years.

It could be the case for the majority of preteens.

Kids are able to understand at an early age the difference between (some) fantasy and reality.[1][2]

For some porn it's very obvious and for some porn it's not.

I think it's certainly better if parents decide what their kids are ready for and if the kids have the resources to help answer questions (my sex ed teacher was actually really good for this).

Would most preteens even be interested in porn without a hormonal sex drive? Like how they see people kissing and still think it's "gross"?

I know I had access to the internet fairly early, and it was hard to not accidentally stumble onto porn through searching, but I didn't start consuming porn until after I was actually a teenager.

Even then I wasn't a large consumer because I was romantically interested in my peers and porn stars at the time looked a lot older.

[1] https://news.utexas.edu/2006/11/27/young-children-learn-to-d...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3689871/

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