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How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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I believe the acceptable mold level in Michigan is 10x that of Ohio. Price is only one component, many people like a tightly regulated medical market to ensure safety.

If it were at a sufficient level for people to start getting sick you'd expect to see an increase in people with related issues, but you don't when you seek out news on this factoid, just a statement on the level being higher than in another place. Most products you consume will have at least some mold on them.

Or just turn it into an extraction, problem solved. Not many spores can survive a solvent wash, I don't know of any research that says they do.

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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I think if people were more open to it culturally it would be used a lot more. I know plenty of my elderly relatives who would benefit switching from opioids to this for their chronic pain, but they grew up being fed lies about the drug that precludes them ever experimenting. Socially its also not up to the level of alcohol is even in California. Every work event I have for instance has a selection of beers and wines…

>has a selection of beers and wines and hard kombucha for us, but never any weed even if its legal for all of us, a few of us do use it Do you expect them to have a selection of cigars and cigarettes too?

Why not? Cigars are great.

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Maybe it takes some time to get to know the different strains and how they feel. I mean, I cannot tell the difference between different wines because I am not experienced in that, I can mostly say that this is shit wine and this is good wine. But with this plant, the different strains definitely have different effects, and if you compare a strong indica vs sativa, the effects are very clearly different. I mean, it is…

I would guess that all this focus on strains speaks to the extent to the extent to which pot is just never going to be like wine. With wine and beer, the ingredient varieties do impact flavor, but, realistically, they have nothing to do with the price a product can command. There's $3/bottle Cab and there's $300/bottle Cab. The difference in price is ostensibly down to the amount of skill that goes into the productio…

Well, who knows, the legalization around the world is still relatively new, and mass markets are being tested, so when for example more of Europe legalizes cannabis also, different and more varied markets are going to come alive.

But for example medicinal cannabis like Bedrocan was developed to be a very clear and non-intoxicating strain, and you can definitely feel the difference in that vs homegrown varieties, so there is definitely an art there that is still to be explored by the big markets.

Who knows, wine and beer industries have existed for so much longer. With cannabis I understand it's the same thing, there is a lot of fine tuning in how you give nutrients, light and the environment, it affects both the taste and the effect. Also indoors vs outdoors has a different effect, so for sure there are a lot of variables in play that can be tuned.

My hope is that slowly the mass legalization will be going towards in giving the people the strains they need, some need more relaxing, some more activating, some more pain nulling and so on.

Also, smoking is not the best way anymore, vaporizing or eating is the most efficient way. High quality vaporizers the effect is much more medicinal, than smoking it, same way is when you eat it.

Maybe you have not tested a high quality vaporizer? with those the flavor and effect is much more clear, the smoking gives you an intoxicating effect from jus t inhaling smoke into your lungs. With a high quality medical cannabis and vaporizer, the effect is very medicinal, it can be almost non-intoxicating especially when used for a longer period of time.

Too bad this stuff is still illegal in many places. The illegality has most probably been driving the need to pack a lot of punch into as small amount of weed as possible, hopefully the legalization process will lead into more milder variants and strains being developed.

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I live on the Oregon/California border, where a lot of growers spilled over from Humboldt County and elsewhere. I've seen a few ups and downs in the market, but nothing like what happened over the last two years. There was a moment in 2020 when more acres of weed were being grown than alfalfa . Neighbors were signing multi-year contracts to rent out their water rights. And oh, all of the terrible behavior that the ru…

You can get a lot more than $500 off a single plant. Outdoors grown right into the soil, you could get a pound or more off a single humongous plant, and in California with a medical card you can have 12 of these plants growing at once. Even a small indoor tent grown plant is good for like 5-6 oz or more 3-5 months from start to harvest. Genetics are great these days for seeds and clones. Imagine parting that out for…

these are full time farmers, they aren't sitting around at home with 2 phones waiting for teenagers to pay retail price between fortnite matches. Instead they sold bulk on average for $660 / LB this last year, so ~ $250-330 per outdoor plant. MOST of that average is indoor high grade, so this can be seen as a ceiling on outdoor plant economics.

So your napkin math that "you can get a lot more than $500 off a single plant" appears to overly enthusiastic.

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Fact #1: It's so easy to produce large quantities of good quality cannabis if you know what you're doing. Just need sunshine, water, soil, and fertilizer, no need to spend much money at all. Fact #2: The thing that made cannabis expensive was it's illegality. The difficulty in growing cannabis was that it had to be done in secret, and you could go to jail if you got caught. Now if you put these facts together, you re…

It’s not that odd of a case. The incentives line up. LEOs get to seize drug money, property, and other assets related to drugs without due process.

For pharma and criminals it’s the exact same reason; the laws create an economic moat.

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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>I mean $100 for 2 ounces of the marijuana plant in particular isn't cheap at all. Where are prices so low that $100 for 2 ounces "isn't cheap at all"?

It’s cheap but not that cheap depending on quality. “Cheap quality” deals around WA and OR can be as low as $35/oz

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Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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I live on the Oregon/California border, where a lot of growers spilled over from Humboldt County and elsewhere. I've seen a few ups and downs in the market, but nothing like what happened over the last two years. There was a moment in 2020 when more acres of weed were being grown than alfalfa . Neighbors were signing multi-year contracts to rent out their water rights. And oh, all of the terrible behavior that the ru…

Wait, why in the world would they go to Oklahoma to grow? That is like asking for trouble from the law.

OK is as close to a free market as you can get, low license fees, taxes, etc. Recreational use is on the ballet for a special session in the spring and it’s already legal for medicinal use and a very liberal def. of “medicinal” at that. There are dispensaries everywhere.

/own 20 acres in SE Oklahoma (tangent, my property taxes last year was a whole $9)

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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In Michigan now that its legal the prices have plummeted. I just saw a place advertising $100 for 2 full ounces for new recreation customers. Thats an insane deal. I'm sure its not the best stuff but its a shocking amount.

I can buy ounces all day in Portland for $20. Is it Jesus incarnate? Nope. Is it perfectly good sinsemilla that gets ya high? Yup.

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