If you think this law will be easy to sidestep, please read this post first: https://old.reddit.com/r/canadahousing/comments/zz92li/prohi... It appears that the law is well-designed to avoid such abuses and loopholes. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1494/
Wouldn't the following still work? Step 1: Create a Canadian company. Own 100% of its shares. Step 2: Buy property in all-cash transactions. Step 3: Enjoy ownership as a foreign buyer.
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#512I really don't understand why governments around the globe just throw their hands in the air and pretend housing is an unsolvable problem for which they have no obligation to fix. It wasn't always like this - in 1922 in Australia we realised there was a shortage of 25,000 homes, so they just made it happen [1]. Why are we so impotent today? Do we just not care enough? Are the vested interests too powerful? [1] https:…
There seems to be a general lack of political will for big projects in the west. Looking at Asia now is like what the west used to be like. I am unsure about the cause but I suspect that a lot of it is that people seem a lot more worried about consultation with locals and such. In the past the government might just decide “we are building a highway here” or “we are building all this infrastructure for houses there” a…
China has the political will for big projects. China also gets them done, and done fast. Yet China also has a housing problem, much greater than the West.
In China's case, the government deliberately creates a shortage of supply by restricting the usage of land. They also printed money directly into the housing market in 2015 when the housing bubble looked likely to burst. It is not a lack of ability to control housing prices. Instead, they have the ability and does control housing prices, by controlling them upwards.
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#513I'm genuinely curious, as to why a country, any country, should not limit home purchase to residents (note I'm saying residents and not citizens). What benefit does it provide to a country or its residents if home purchase is opened to foreign residents?
It increases the demand for real estate, which increases the price of real estate. This benefits those who own real estate. Many residents own real estate, so they do benefit from the policy.
I say we should prioritize housing: it is a basic necessity with few alternatives, if any. If you want to invest your money, (1) it means you already have money so you aren't struggling and (2) you can invest elsewhere that isn't as harmful for others.
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#514I want to give some push-back regarding the often-heard phrase that governments should stop restricting supply. I'll be using the situation in the Netherlands to explore some complexities. These may not apply everywhere, but it serves to illustrate that the situation is far more complex than "stupid zoning". First, the reason the Netherlands is in a similar situation as Canada (400K home prices, very tight supply) is…
The problem is that restricting purchasing is a tiny stop-gap. It might be a useful stop-gap depending on the circumstances, but it won't actually solve the problem. It's like having a hole in your boat, tossing two bucket-fulls of water out, and then calling it a day. The boat is better off, but the water is still coming in and eventually the problem will be back and will keep getting worse. So Canada has shed a sma…
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#515A little bit off topic and also conspiratorial but could buying up property be a type of social weapon? I mean why drop bombs on a nation when you can make the native population homeless through pricing them out of the market?
The problem is that the "attacked" country could just seize the homes for themselves in a moment - you end up just giving an enormous fortune to your enemy.
The only way it would work does would require quite the conspiracy: thousands of buyers of homes colluding in secret over many years without raising suspicions, until the other country is weakened by decades of poor housing and then striking before they have a chance to pull the rug.
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That's 405,000 permanent residents only. Add to that hundreds of thousands international students + hundreds of thousands temporary workers + tens of thousands asylum seekers + etc + etc
Those are mostly temporary by definition so I don’t see that as a source of the longer term shortages at the macro level unless it is shown that the size of the student and temporary worker pool is growing significantly every year? Sure, many of those eventually go onto permanent residency but that’s still included in the 400k annual figure is it not? The number of asylum claimants is overstated in my opinion. Even i…
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Like the entirely 5 story multi-family residential-over-retail filled Paris, France? In the US, these manifest as so-called 5-over-1 and it's entirely possible to build the same model of work-life balanced neighborhoods using that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-over-1
Paris is definitely not a place where you can point to an example of abundant, affordable housing. Are you kidding me? Adjusted for wages, Paris purchase prices are more unaffordable than London or New York.
The prices in Paris are fairly high, 1000€ for a 30m² flat. But that's the relatively small heart of "Paris intra muros", excluding the "banlieues" (suburbs) which are cheaper and 30 minutes to an hour with the Métro (or the RER). That doesn't sound more unaffordable than London, not on a tech salary and colleagues have told me co-habitation is not a thing here (whereas most of my friends and colleagues in London lived in shared flats, for example).
What makes Paris impossible to rent in, is the absolutely insane demand for housing that frees real estate agents to do whatever the fuck they please. I spent three weeks calling every day, multiple agencies, only to be told by each and every one of them that they wouldn't let to me because I am a salaried worker in a trial period ("salarié en periode d' essaie", a three-month trial period mandated by French law). Even with my company offering to be my guarantor (which means they would shoulder all the risk of rent arrears) they would not let to me. Not one. My contacts list is still full of numbers of "immobiliers" (real estate agencies), I know 80% of the agencies and I have masochistic fun pointing them out when I pass outside them with friends. Not one of them would let to me. Not. One!
That's without all the absolutely insane amount of documentation they require (three months of recent rent receipts, proof of having paid taxes in France in the last year, etc) which you won't have if you haven't already lived and worked in France for a while, and the complete bollocks demand of earning three times the rent in salary, and being able to afford two times the rent in advance (as a guarantee; we'll see if I get mine back). But I think that's all par for the course in big cities.
In the end I was only able to find an apartment because an estate agent who's friends with my boss did me a favor. And even he wouldn't talk to me until I barged into his office. So I got 15 m² with a 3m² bathroom with no sink (there's a 5lt washing machine in its place) and a "kitchen corner" that's barely enough to make breakfast cereals, all for the price of 720€.
For the record, I'm an EU citizen and I have a doctorate in a tech subject. My French colleagues have shared similar rental horror stories. I have no idea how people manage who are worse off financially, or come from outside the EU.
tl;dr: no, you don't want the housing situation in your city to be like that in Paris.
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Sardine-can conditions become less necessary by the day as more industries move to WFH. Who chooses to live in Manhattan if their job doesn't demand it? Demand for nicer living conditions with lawns, space, garages, and fresh air will rise as the urban exodus continues. The city is obsolete in the era of WFH. Let these unnatural aberrations recede. Humans were meant to live in small tribes and we see how their progra…
I find this to be a bewildering opinion. I get that people are wired different, but I am surprised that you aren't capable of envisioning a situation where a huge percent of the world chooses to live in a city. > The city is obsolete in the era of WFH The first thing I did after negotiating WFH is to move to a dense neighborhood of NYC (soon). > Demand for nicer living conditions I am. I want to walk down to local ma…
Also, suburbs have provably less pollution and noise.
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This, unfortunately, is correct. The birth rate means jack shit. People with the capital to do so will just buy multiple homes. Holiday homes, homes closer to work, rental properties etc. If the crash ever came it would be so bad it would make the Great Depression look like a picnic. This is why governments will go to ludicrous measures such as bailing out the banks during the financial crisis and then pumping the ma…
Ultra-high tax rates during WWII, when governments used tax to raise the money they needed, may have made sense. Ultra-high tax rates in an unbacked fiat currency world are purely an attempt to punish the ultra-rich (which ends up punishing the upper-middle class as the ultra-rich can afford to either package their income or escape to a lower-tax jurisdiction). In an unbacked fiat currency world, income tax rates are…