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Yeah, I’ve thought an economic calamity was likely for over 20 years. As I stated, the math is there but the timing is always unknown. We’re talking about the actions of billions of human beings, and therefore it’s difficult to predict with certainty. What can be said definitively is that the debt service of the US federal government will exceed the current defense budget by 2025. Things are getting closer and closer…
You know nothing about economics
Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023
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Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023
#262The US debt to GDP ratio has been over 120% since 2020. By IMF definition >120% means the country is an an economic death spiral. The government can't pay it's bills (all those loans for all that free bailout money.) By 2028 the US will only be making payments on the interest on it's loans, not the principal, which is the point of no return/when the economic death spiral becomes irreversible with US insolvency by 2042.
Those are just the numbers and the timeframe. Look at how many countries are >120% and how they are each able to manage the problem (or not). The best example is Japan who can manage it even with lost decades because they are incestuous with their own money and resources. This has been a global economic crisis that has been hidden/ignored since at least 2014. Do a search for economic crisis and you'll see how long this has been going on and how long the government has had a timeline for it's own bankruptcy. Yet they overspend and prop up the economy for political purposes. China built entire fake cities to prop up their credit rating just so they could lend the US money.
Anyway, as interest rates go up, private money goes into T-Bills, not stocks. That's what raising interest rates does. Private investment evaporates and smart money goes into stable not risky volatile assets whose price doesn't move much or at all (historically cash or gold), or those with best guaranteed returns, such as bonds. That's why T-Bills returns on short term bills are so high (if you trust the government can pay their bills, which they can't. They are betting on future growth and earnings, which comes with innovation, and barring solid state batteries, cold fusion or zero-point energy, we're all out of value innovation.) Soylent Green maybe??
So all that free money from the government with low interest rates on borrowing gets paid back before the government goes bankrupt. In theory. In reality it just excuses more overspending by government at the taxpayers expense. (just look at the past 20 years for reference.) Either way, recession is already underway despite what the government is telling you. The question is are we due for a depression. Barring some technical innovation/catalyst, all indicators point to yes without some major overhaul of the global economic system where debt is forgiven, digital currency which would end up working like a stock split, or war, which is the historical solution.
Just a simple explanation of why inflation isn't going down is in this video: https://youtu.be/COZocfFifQw?t=423
Apply this to most businesses/business models that took advantage of free/cheap/easy money for the past 10 years but didn't shift/pivot to a sustainable business model moving forward. Businesses will need to fold en masse before things START to change,(all the sick people dying off makes what's left look healthier) and that's going to kick into high gear starting his year. Systemic failures started in 2022. Just look at the food supply chain and the energy crisis that was created in the name of green energy and you'll start to wake up to how disastrous things have gotten thanks to energy and foreign/trade policy.
Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023
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Yeah, that's what I mean - not what houses are selling for, but what people are looking for/able to buy. Median income in the US is somewhere around 40k-70k/year depending on the source, and the general recommendation is not to exceed 2.5x that for the price of a home - so around 100k-175k.
Yes, as shown elsewhere on this thread, thousands of those types of houses are available in countless metro areas around the US. They're just not in San Fran or LA or Seattle so people don't want to take advantage of it. They must think jobs only exists in like 5 cities. Or really they just don't think it sounds cool to say they live in Kansas City or Dallas or whatever.
Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023
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I'm not sure oscillation is a good metaphor. It could be a random walk, which might appear periodic, but is not.
Virtually all feedback systems[1] have oscillatory modes in their solutions. Calling something a "random walk" doesn't tell you how the choices of direction are made, but in economics (and electronics) that's something that's subject to analysis. So I like mine better. [1] Which an economy is, almost by definition: spending makes the people who sold you stuff richer, who then spend; tight purses mean the producers ar…
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I'm not sure oscillation is a good metaphor. It could be a random walk, which might appear periodic, but is not.
It is not a metaphor if you think the Fed is applying control theory to regulate the economy. But some people take it too far and think if there was no Fed there wouldn't be any oscillation. That is not true. Bitcoin also "oscillates". Oscillations happen because of a time lag that leads to an overshooting of the target which then leads to overshooting on the way back and so on. The economy never becomes perfectly st…
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I mean, aren't they still currently engaged in the genocide of the Uyghurs? Forcing them into work camps, breaking their spiritual freedoms, and relocating communities to forcibly dilute their unique genetic makeup? And the West did what? China is building bases around the South China Sea, pushing borders back, commandeering fishing rights, making a claim on Taiwan and their territories, and pushing very close to US…
Western capitalism and imperialism has destroyed and killed so many lives. On par with anything China has done except in much higher quantity. Look at the Kurds, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Iran, Korea, Vietnam, Yemen, Palestine, Egypt, Pakistan, Central America, South America, Africa. Look at the IMF. People like Fred Hampton, MLK, murdered by the West. > If you ever want to imagine the end of the world, imagine…
Although I agree with your sentiment in general, I don't like when people lump Yugoslavia with the rest. The West didn't start that war, it effectively ended it. They did what they failed to do in Rwanda.
You could say 'it's not their job, if people like killing each other let them kill themselves.' But it wasn't so. There were aggressors and there were victims. There is something sinister in watching people die when crying for your help just because you don't want to get involved. So while cases like Iraq and Afghanistan are clear-cut - these were just acts of bloody aggression fueled by feelings of revenge - Yugoslavia (and a few others on your list) are not.
Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023
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No, inflation is not the same thing as increasing the money supply. Increasing the money supply is one of the many things that can cause inflation. But to thing it is the only factor is overly simplistic, sort of Laffer-curve-esque. In that it makes a lot of sense in an economics 101 class but the reality is a lot more complex. For example, if you double the money supply tomorrow but most of that extra money ends up…
High inflation has always been the effect of massive increase of money supply, typically for the purpose of paying back creditors by state actors. What account for money supply can be gold (Spain Inflation, 16th century), diluted gold coins (look for monetary crisis in Roman Empire), paper and scriptural money emission backed by unchanged gold possession (French Franc, after 1913 ; US dollar in the late '60), paper m…
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Cringe
Either state what you dislike about the analogy or simply say nothing and downvote the comment if you dislike it. Statements like this add nothing to the debate, enlighten nobody, and are not welcome on this site which strives to minimise such trolling.
Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023
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Either state what you dislike about the analogy or simply say nothing and downvote the comment if you dislike it. Statements like this add nothing to the debate, enlighten nobody, and are not welcome on this site which strives to minimise such trolling.
It's not a bad analogy. But When your analogy projects an oiled up, banana hammocked, mr olympia in the reader's mind it might detract from the original point.
Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023
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Yes, as shown elsewhere on this thread, thousands of those types of houses are available in countless metro areas around the US. They're just not in San Fran or LA or Seattle so people don't want to take advantage of it. They must think jobs only exists in like 5 cities. Or really they just don't think it sounds cool to say they live in Kansas City or Dallas or whatever.
Or maybe living close to friends and family matters more ? Moving 2000km away from family and friends is an uprooting move.
This reads like people complaining that a new iPhone is $1,200 and then saying "BUT I NEED A PHONE!". Yes, you need a phone. No, you do not need the $1,200 phone. Take the blinders off, there is a whole ass world out here.