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Re: Megaface

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Post by smaudet »

rsync wrote: post #61

What's going to happen when (not if) it becomes cheap and simple to mock up your own head and you "present" that in multiple locations, simultaneously ? It's interesting to think about how these systems (and their human operators) will react when their system recognizes, with certainty, that X is in two places (or 15) at once ... ... or if X is recorded somewhere (Zurich) and then two hours later at an impossible dis…

Indeed - the (security/social/economical) issues these systems will pose are nearly boundless, something as ill considered and will in hindsight be as obviously shortsighted and the early naivete of the first internet users, who saw no issue with unencrypted communications, centralized unscaling systems, and complete lack of security credentials...

Re: Megaface

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Post by p-e-w »

dandelany wrote: post #89
underlines wrote: post #88

Challenge this: If I am legally allowed to look at a million pictures to learn how to draw in different art styles, or even how to imitate a very certain art style, I basically train weights and biases in my brain. If StabilityAi does the same with pictures available online, and release the weights and biases as Stable Diffusion, how is this different from humans learning from that data?

Law does not work by analogy. The difference is obvious - one of them is an automated computer system, the other is a human. As mentioned above it is not clear whether use/redistribution of this data is legal. But generally speaking, drawing an analogy between a piece of software and a human being is not an argument that will hold any weight in court.

This is the correct answer to any question such as the above. The law is an instrument of power. At the most basic level, its purpose is to uphold the power of a select group of individuals and institutions. The law's purpose is not to bend to logical arguments. If it did, those with the most complete grasp of logic would have the most power, undermining what the law is ultimately designed to do.

Re: Megaface

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Post by p-e-w »

smaudet wrote: post #90
p-e-w wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This datasets usage and creation violates Swiss law And drinking alcohol violates Saudi Arabian law. Unless the institutions involved are subject to Swiss jurisdiction (which doesn't appear to be the case), this doesn't mean much. If anything, the blame lies with the Swiss government, which allowed a foreign company (Flickr) to operate in Switzerland without adequate guarantees that this company would protect Swiss…

Can't agree, if an assassin illegaly enters a country and commits a crime, the blame falls on the miscreant for their behavior not the country for failing to notice the deceptive miscreant. You would have to demonstrate the Swiss govt was made aware of Flickr before they were a thing there and then failed to ban them, for this line of reasoning to make any sense...

Is that supposed to be a joke? Privacy advocates around the world have been rallying against Big Tech's practices for almost two decades. There have been hundreds of well-documented incidents where technology corporations violated privacy laws, either with complete impunity or with "punishments" that can be filed away as "cost of doing business".

Yet not a single government thinks that maybe, companies that repeatedly break the law shouldn't be allowed to do business in their jurisdiction at all.

This is 100% on the respective governments, who have been made aware countless times but have chosen to all but ignore the problem.

Re: Megaface

#94

Post by langsoul-com »

samwillis wrote: post #8

One of the difficulties with these training datasets is the currently understood rules around web scraping. The current legal precedent [0] is that web scraping is perfectly legal, despite what is in the websites terms of service, "licence" or robots.txt. If a human can navigate to it freely, you can scrape it using automated means. What you can't do with scraped data is republish it verbatim. Doing a data analysis o…

There was an article talking about how big companies fund researchers to harvest datasets and train models. Then those companies use those models.

Even though, in the tos, it's not for commercial use.

Re: Megaface

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Post by TylerE »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #87
int_19h wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about jurisdiction in which the defendant is based , of course, but rather in jurisdiction where it has presence. If foreign laws were enforceable against actors who never operated in those other countries, we'd have to enforce Saudi laws against atheism and Russian laws against "gay propaganda".

There are literally millions of US companies with no EU presence, but who have online ordering of digital products. To the parent: Good luck enforcing GDPR on them. They won’t even abide by an EU subpoena that asks “what PII are you storing?” And right to delete? Haha, good luck.

Why should they? What happens when, say, an Arab state passes a law that selling pornography gets a body part chopped off.

Re: Megaface

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Post by pksebben »

sowbug wrote: post #97
teolandon wrote: post #96

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How is that comparable in any way?

Both cases use web content in ways other than their publishers intended.

calling the urls in a Blocklist is kinda stretching the definition of 'content' though, innit?

Re: Megaface

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

TylerE wrote: post #95
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are literally millions of US companies with no EU presence, but who have online ordering of digital products. To the parent: Good luck enforcing GDPR on them. They won’t even abide by an EU subpoena that asks “what PII are you storing?” And right to delete? Haha, good luck.

Why should they? What happens when, say, an Arab state passes a law that selling pornography gets a body part chopped off.

Good example. In the US, We thank our circumstances that we were not born in Saudi Arabia. And that’s about it. We buy porn and keep our body parts. The parent traceroute66 has no idea what he’s talking about.

Re: Megaface

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Post by [deleted] »

traceroute66 wrote: post #21
KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do the scraping in a jurisdiction where it is legal.

> You can do the scraping in a jurisdiction where it is legal. No such thing with GDPR. Why do you think so many US websites take the lazy-ass approach and block EU visitors to their websites ? Simple, its because either you comply with GDPR or you don't process the information of citizens of GDPR covered countries. End of story.

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