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Re: Python 2 removed from Debian

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Post by a2800276 »

anttihaapala wrote: post #10
logicallee wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is nice to see the python 3 migration is pretty much done, it really could have happened literally a decade ago! While we're all here: which is the package manager to use?

> which is the package manager to use? pip

Unless you are doing scientific computing or using Windows in which case you should use anaconda. Oh and if you are on a Mac you you use brew if you want to install things like tensorflow or imagemagick etc. You see there's only one thing to do it TM :)

Re: Python 2 removed from Debian

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Post by LAC-Tech »

killjoywashere wrote: post #24

I feel like there was a batch of big software from the 90s and early 2000s that took a really long time to die, and they're not necessarily dead yet: Windows XP. Java. Python 2. IPv4. X11. Free/Open/NetBSD (1). Hell, I was using (adding new data to) a MUMPS-based system on OpenVMS until 2018. But I feel like we are seeing fewer new widely-publicized death marches now, despite many more projects starting. What changed…

(1) As an example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26168596

LOL that's an ancient bit of copy pasta. Here's a page from over two decades ago that was already describing it as a "classic troll".

https://everything2.com/title/BSD+is+dying

Re: Python 2 removed from Debian

#33

Post by jacquesm »

a2800276 wrote: post #31
anttihaapala wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which is the package manager to use? pip

Unless you are doing scientific computing or using Windows in which case you should use anaconda. Oh and if you are on a Mac you you use brew if you want to install things like tensorflow or imagemagick etc. You see there's only one thing to do it TM :)

Anaconda works very well on Linux.

Re: Python 2 removed from Debian

#34

Post by codebje »

cellularmitosis wrote: post #11
josephcsible wrote: post #2

3 years after going EOL, and 14 years after the release of Python 3. Good riddance at long last.

I see the sort of perspective pervasively, but I don’t really understand it. I would guess that most people wouldn’t consider expunging c89 from gcc to be progress, yet this is almost universally the attitude towards python2. What am I missing?

You don't need to expunge c89 from gcc for progress to have happened - we've got c99 and c11 and whatever c17 is or isn't already there.

Effectively, however, python2 and python3 are different languages. Since they're interpreted, there's now a problem with '#!/usr/bin/env python' in your script: which python version is being invoked? Which language version are modules targeting? It's a mess.

But the poster child for screwing up a language version upgrade is still Perl.

Re: Python 2 removed from Debian

#35

Post by guidedlight »

killjoywashere wrote: post #24

I feel like there was a batch of big software from the 90s and early 2000s that took a really long time to die, and they're not necessarily dead yet: Windows XP. Java. Python 2. IPv4. X11. Free/Open/NetBSD (1). Hell, I was using (adding new data to) a MUMPS-based system on OpenVMS until 2018. But I feel like we are seeing fewer new widely-publicized death marches now, despite many more projects starting. What changed…

Java?

Re: Python 2 removed from Debian

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Post by BossingAround »

killjoywashere wrote: post #24

I feel like there was a batch of big software from the 90s and early 2000s that took a really long time to die, and they're not necessarily dead yet: Windows XP. Java. Python 2. IPv4. X11. Free/Open/NetBSD (1). Hell, I was using (adding new data to) a MUMPS-based system on OpenVMS until 2018. But I feel like we are seeing fewer new widely-publicized death marches now, despite many more projects starting. What changed…

Java is live and well, still one of the most popular languages today.

Re: Python 2 removed from Debian

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Post by jacquesm »

killjoywashere wrote: post #24

I feel like there was a batch of big software from the 90s and early 2000s that took a really long time to die, and they're not necessarily dead yet: Windows XP. Java. Python 2. IPv4. X11. Free/Open/NetBSD (1). Hell, I was using (adding new data to) a MUMPS-based system on OpenVMS until 2018. But I feel like we are seeing fewer new widely-publicized death marches now, despite many more projects starting. What changed…

MUMPS... arrrrggghhhh.... instant outbreak of skin rash and stress just from hearing the name. Thank you. ;)

Seriously though, that was one interesting language, the number of weird features (the editor is a string) that you'll come across in MUMPS make it fascinating just to study and wonder what inputs into the decision making process around the design trade offs were.

Re: Python 2 removed from Debian

#38

Post by alex_suzuki »

jacquesm wrote: post #4

And not a decade too soon. The Python 2 -> Python 3 migration will be studied for a long time as an example how not to release a new version of your language or library, right next to that Angular thingy. The number of headaches I've had to deal with because of this over the years have just about soured me on the whole Python offering, and I used to be a pretty big fan. Great that Debian finally pulls the plug on it,…

I don't think that the Angular.js -> Angular update/rebrand is on the same level. Migrating a codebase from Python 2 to 3 feels like a "port", doing the same for Angular feels more like a rewrite. :-)

Re: Python 2 removed from Debian

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Post by voytec »

killjoywashere wrote: post #24

I feel like there was a batch of big software from the 90s and early 2000s that took a really long time to die, and they're not necessarily dead yet: Windows XP. Java. Python 2. IPv4. X11. Free/Open/NetBSD (1). Hell, I was using (adding new data to) a MUMPS-based system on OpenVMS until 2018. But I feel like we are seeing fewer new widely-publicized death marches now, despite many more projects starting. What changed…

> software from the 90s and early 2000s that took a really long time to die (...) Free/Open/NetBSD

In case you're not trolling: FreeBSD optimizations used by Netflix to serve video at 800Gb/s [pdf][1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33449297

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