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Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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... it seems silly to have both firefox and safari. perhaps there is some unificaiton strategy that we can get these two to pursue. combined, they certainly have enough marketshare to drive webmasters. --sergey This line of thought seems somewhat nefarious. I suppose you could say it was just to fight back against msie, but in retrospect it feels like a plan to dominate web development.

Charitably, his thought at the time seems to be that those two vendors could create a viable competitor to Internet Explorer. People forget how much IE dominated the browser market, and how much that hurt the web. Ultimately Google would create its own browser monopoly, but this statement does not seem to refer to that plan unless you read a lot into it.

Creating their own browser was part of the larger picture: unshackling forward development on the web from the whims of a company that saw the browser as a secondary offering behind their operating system and desktop application platforms.

There were a lot of cool ideas in the pipeline (particularly from Mozilla) that were dead in the water if IE didn't buy in. The modern state of the web is partially due to the fact that this kind of backroom dealing finally snapped the market out of IE's hands.

At the time of these emails, getting Apple on board with supporting modern features instead of them deciding, like Microsoft, that the web wasn't important was key to that strategy. The kind of damage Apple could have done would have been to forge their own path or to combine forces with Microsoft in the decision-making bodies about web tech.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the civil case it's true that only the lawyers made anything worth having.

Isn’t that almost always the case in a class action suit?

I always felt like it was but apparently there is a real chance of me seeing several hundred dollars over buying the horrible 2018 mac air. Nothing close to the 1800 I shelled out for it which I could never recoup.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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This is interesting to read from the angle of personality dynamics. People underestimate the sense of control that Jobs derived, not from being prophetic or smart, but from making things extremely personal and psychologically stifling for other people. (Musk works in the same way when he gets flustered or fearful.) Jobs talked a lot about seeing the future, but his high-use "like/dislike switch" was really in control…

Jobs was a poet. A brutal, calculating, ruthless businessman, but ultimately a poet. I have no doubt that every important decision in his life was driven primarily by emotion.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is he just a bully? LMAO. Yes. And a bad person.

I think it’s simpler than that. He was an average person. Had a lot of business acumen, particularly well timed vision (after a bunch of poor timing), then he was a really successful guy who was just as flawed as the rest of us.

I think I understand your larger point, but whatever corrections or amendments need to be made to the myth of Jobs, the idea that he was in any way average shouldn’t be one.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't appear to be. The email's intention appears to be accusing Google of poaching browser developers to build a competing browser to Safari. It's less about price and more about Apple changing their strategy if they conclude that a company they think is a partner has designs on competing directly with one of their key application offerings. Which, of course, they eventually did. If anything, I take this email…

What war other than the bidding war for talent was Jobs threatening?

At the time, Google was the default search engine for Safari. Apple could have changed their opinion on that.

Google was also trying very hard to build and maintain a coalition of smaller browsers (at the time) that can compete with IE's complete stranglehold on the technical web ecosystem by virtue of its sheer mass. Apple is a notoriously fickle partner in any kind of technical coalition (note how they got bored with other companies dragging their heels on the usb-c standard and released their own standard several years earlier). They had the leverage of both their own browser and their mobile phone platform to position against Google or towards Microsoft if they chose to.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is he just a bully? LMAO. Yes. And a bad person.

I think it’s simpler than that. He was an average person. Had a lot of business acumen, particularly well timed vision (after a bunch of poor timing), then he was a really successful guy who was just as flawed as the rest of us.

> He was an average person.

Average people tend to at least care about their own children. Jobs treated his own appallingly badly.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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post #78

The tech giants ultimately reached a settlement in the amount of $400 million in a lawsuit involving allegations of these dishonest backdoor dealings. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33292364 [2] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/04/24/306592297...

And financially, it was probably worth it to them.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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post #57

I don’t understand Jobs’ logic here. Is he just a bully? If Google makes such a great offer that his employee will leave him, shouldn’t he try to make a better offer, or meet with the employee instead of calling Sergey? Say he did get the offer canceled. How would this employee feel about working for a CEO that does this?

He was a dick. And there was a strong trend around 2010-2015ish that essentially said "Jobs was a dick and a genius. Therefore I must act like a dick, to prove that I'm a genius". So many startup CEOs acting like assholes to prove they're revolutionary visionaries.
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