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Tallow in plastics – why? (2016)

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Re: Tallow in plastics – why? (2016)

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This submission claims that "traditional banknotes which are based on special and expensive paper suffer from poor tear properties and they have limited life", and touts tallow-dependent plastics as a solution. US currency is made of a cotton-linen blend, so (pedantically) it is not paper. Per US Currency Education Program [1], "it would take 4000 double folds, forwards and backwards, to tear a banknote". Is this ins…

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Re: Tallow in plastics – why? (2016)

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This is assuming we treat profit as immutable. Which is, I suppose, “rule one” in business, no? And in most cases - hey that’s fine. I disagree but it’s ok. One area where I will always push back is on services that are required for life. Food. Shelter. Power (electric, etc) … healthcare. If the service is critical, profit should be considered last, if at all. (As I write this, my elec provider has doubled its genera…

As history shows us, agriculture for profit is far cheaper and more effective than collective farms. The same with healthcare.

> As history shows us, agriculture for profit is far cheaper and more effective than collective farms.

I doubt the accuracy of this statement. But I'll make a largely-unsubstantiated claim of my own, nonetheless: for-profit agriculture has substantially increased the cost of for-profit healthcare by focusing on high-profit foods that are highly processed and addictive instead of foods that are actually good for us to consume.

Re: Tallow in plastics – why? (2016)

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As history shows us, agriculture for profit is far cheaper and more effective than collective farms. The same with healthcare.

> As history shows us, agriculture for profit is far cheaper and more effective than collective farms. I doubt the accuracy of this statement. But I'll make a largely-unsubstantiated claim of my own, nonetheless: for-profit agriculture has substantially increased the cost of for-profit healthcare by focusing on high-profit foods that are highly processed and addictive instead of foods that are actually good for us to…

> I doubt the accuracy of this statement

Spend 5 minutes researching it with google what happens with collective farms.

> for-profit agriculture has substantially increased the cost of for-profit healthcare by focusing on high-profit foods that are highly processed and addictive instead of foods that are actually good for us to consume

People vote with their dollars what they want to eat.

Besides, if you do google the history of collective farms, the result in every case was famine, not breaking out in health.

Re: Tallow in plastics – why? (2016)

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thank you. I'm glad it isn't the STP you add to your oil-burning engine. P.S. Do you mean sodium tripolyphosphate?

Yes they are the same.

thanks! I ordered some, am going to try it out.

Re: Tallow in plastics – why? (2016)

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I was curious, and found the ingredients for a 1992 bar of zest from an eBay photo. It was a mix of soap with the detergent sodium cocoglyceryl ether sulfonate. The current recipe is all soap but they added a couple of chelating agents: Pentasodium Pentetate, and Tetrasodium Etidronate. The problem with the new recipe is these chelating agents suck. The only thing that can jail Mg/Ca2+ faster than soap scum forms is…

There are a few industrial detergents which haven't been reformulated (or at least not noticeably). Alcojet [0] does a fantastic job in the dishwasher... but I don't recommend it in the laundry. Turns out modern dyes are colorfast against a lot of things, but not this stuff! It is rather expensive, but for irregular use (machine-cleaning or special-stain problems), that's not an issue. And, yes, it's loaded with tris…

Alcojet has bleach. Adding phosphates to dishwasher powder ends up at the same place except my generic Target powder has sodium percarbonate (oxyclean) instead of chlorine. Alcojet uses a shit ton of STPP, MSDS says 25-41% by weight. I have been mixing closer to 10%.

Also Alcojet is STPP not TSP. TSP is as alkaline as lye.

Re: Tallow in plastics – why? (2016)

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Perhaps the main thing about tallow is that there's a glut of it, likewise lard. People want more and more meat, but want it to be leaner, creating a surplus of tallow. Also, its use in deep fryers, e.g., by the fast food industry, was curtailed when vegetable oil became preferable in the market. A relative of mine worked in a chemical factory in Detroit, that made lubricants for metal working. Many of them were eith…

I was curious, and found the ingredients for a 1992 bar of zest from an eBay photo. It was a mix of soap with the detergent sodium cocoglyceryl ether sulfonate. The current recipe is all soap but they added a couple of chelating agents: Pentasodium Pentetate, and Tetrasodium Etidronate. The problem with the new recipe is these chelating agents suck. The only thing that can jail Mg/Ca2+ faster than soap scum forms is…

Where do you buy the STP?

Re: Tallow in plastics – why? (2016)

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Anything from a corporation saying “fearful” (for your wallet) things like “may cost more to produce(costing you more)” or reduce efficiency (costing you more) etc… Is just reworded excuses as to the corporation’s choosing profit. For they will never say “profit us less.”

Corporations can choose: 1. making a profit 2. going out of business If you raise the cost of doing business for a corporation, the cost of their products and services is going to rise accordingly.

> If you raise the cost of doing business for a corporation, the cost of their products and services is going to rise accordingly.

It doesn't always have to. Some companies make so much profit that they could easily choose to absorb an increase in the costs of doing business without raising the costs of the products/services. They'd continue to make massive amounts of profit, just slightly less than they were making before and in some cases I think we should expect companies to do exactly that.

Re: Tallow in plastics – why? (2016)

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The explanation is quite disappointing: Using an alternative "might" be worse in few ways. OK, so where is the data, pros and cons comparison?

The likely reality is that shifting to a replacement will just result in the animal product being dumped. It's likely a byproduct of meat consumption that is inexpensive to use because there is lots of meat consumption. Another 'huh?' product that contains animal derived ingredients are various dryer sheets (they don't all, but many do).

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