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Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

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Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

#41

It would be pretty cool to have Steve Jobs and Sergey Brin fighting over you as an employee, wonder who it was.

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Whooooosh.

The whole point is that you’re even worth the attention of attempted wage suppression by two high level execs.

It has nothing to do with fawning over execs.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

#42
post #14

Fascinating to see the amount of coordination at play to suppress wages/etc even while they're trying to poach and compete with each other.

I don't think they're actually trying to suppress wages. It sounds like they're just willing to do whatever it takes to get Steve Jobs to stop yelling at them and not thinking through the consequences.

It's not spoken aloud, but implicit in the conversation is that Apple would rather conspire with a competing firm to make them back off on an offer of higher salary rather than make an above-board counteroffer.

There's no such thing as "poaching" in an honest employment market. Firms are supposed to keep their valued employees by competing.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

#43
post #14

Fascinating to see the amount of coordination at play to suppress wages/etc even while they're trying to poach and compete with each other.

I don't think they're actually trying to suppress wages. It sounds like they're just willing to do whatever it takes to get Steve Jobs to stop yelling at them and not thinking through the consequences.

You'd be interested in the other interactions jobs had with, Other CEOs on the same vein

https://twitter.com/techemails/status/1443263744906305543

https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1422603572814962692

Because he clearly is trying to suppress wages. There seems to have been a lawsuit on it as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

#44

These are funny, and their humor should be treated of how evidence of malfeasance really reveals itself: not in smoke-filled rooms, but silly emails between CEOs beefing over a talented employee.

Given the millions of dollars in damages these emails caused, I'm pretty sure they went back to unsubpoenable smoke filled rooms, minus the smoke. Hell, the CEO of Twitter flew especially to Apple HQ to get their advertising spend reinstated. He wouldn't have done that if whatever he needed to say could've been said over email.

>He wouldn't have done that if whatever he needed to say could've been said over email.

No, this is likely not the reason in this particular case. If email were a replacement for face to fact negotiation, sales people would have stopped taking flights 25 years. Instead, sales at the b2b level is still filled with travel and relationship building.

Humans like humans showing up in person and to blow smoke up their ass. They don’t say that but it’s what they really like and they respond to it in the form of being less ruthless when it comes to cutting ties, etc.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the millions of dollars in damages these emails caused, I'm pretty sure they went back to unsubpoenable smoke filled rooms, minus the smoke. Hell, the CEO of Twitter flew especially to Apple HQ to get their advertising spend reinstated. He wouldn't have done that if whatever he needed to say could've been said over email.

I suspect corporate collusion (and a fair amount of arranging corrupt mutual back-scratching for purely personal gain) like this is the bulk of the nefarious activity that actually goes on at all those various weird secret rich-people club meetings/getaways that are in fact real things and often serve as fodder for various far-wilder conspiracy theories.

FWIW, this is the one good thing about loss of privacy and people actually tracking private jet movements of the really wealthy that those are a little bit harder to hide. Not impossible. Just harder.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

#47

Ha, we're totally not building a browser, nope, not us! I suppose perhaps that was true at that moment. When did they start making Chrome?

> So I got another irate call from jobs today.

> I don't think we should let that determine our hiring strategy but thought I would let you know.

> Basically, he said "if you hire a single one of these people that means war".

I'm guessing the idea for Chrome started to crystallize right about here...

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

#48
This kind of stuff is rampant in all sorts of ways. For example, tech companies regularly discriminate against employees if they think that some customer, vendor, etc would object to the employee and possibly threaten to take their business somewhere else. It results in weird shit like not hiring people from certain countries, competitors, or just people with an alternative lifestyle. Firing for being 'out of the closet' in one way or another also happens, but of course is always covered up with some other excuse (part of what HR is really for).

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

#49
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they're actually trying to suppress wages. It sounds like they're just willing to do whatever it takes to get Steve Jobs to stop yelling at them and not thinking through the consequences.

> We are careful to adhere to non-compete agreements if we have established these with any company. Hiring non competes do exactly this regardless of whatever benefit of the doubt you wish to grant (not to mention it clearly establishes they’ve done this regularly prior to this so it wasn’t even a one off). More importantly, these were already clearly established case law as illegal in California. So these are Califo…

I had to do quick refresh of Palm history, but it looks like they did not survive, but it does not indicate to what extent Apple may have been involved in it. Still, it is good to see there are some CEOs that were at least willing to say equivalent of 'not cool'.

Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs

#50

It would be pretty cool to have Steve Jobs and Sergey Brin fighting over you as an employee, wonder who it was.

No kidding. That employee's resume could be reduced to one sentence: "Sergey Brin and Steve Jobs got into a yelling match over me." Obviously that's stretching the truth a bit but that would get a lot of attention pretty quickly. Maybe enough to skip the leetcode challenges.

"Ben Goodger personally vouched for me" makes for a nice cover letter.
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