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How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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If Microsoft employees can't fix it, something Apple fixed already for their OS years ago, then they should not be working on Windows

I don't understand how incompetence is being protected and empowered at Microsoft, it's suspiciously worrying, i hope the military isn't dependent on Microsoft software, i'd be worried if they use their tech in the battlefield, HoloLens is another evidence things are fishy within that company

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Task Manager not having a modern filter/search for the gigantic list isn’t only an annoyance and a productivity killer but also a security issue. If I suspect a nefarious app is running in the background somewhere I have to manually read the list to find it and kill it. End of the day one of two things is happening, either no one influential at MS uses Windows or their structure is so broken that pointing out somethi…

you could always use resmon.exe

This and the other comment are non-answers.

The fact that another obscure application (at least obscure to most people) can do this does not mean it is ok for task manager not to have this very basic feature.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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One universal solution that works for all apps - you render the app in an off-screen buffer and pass that to AI to re-render it in the new style. This way you don't need to touch the code. AI could also translate mouse clicks/coordinates accordingly if it moves stuff around. You could even have "UI themes", tell the AI to re-render in Windows 2000/XP/11 style. EDIT: the downvotes I'm getting with no comments are funn…

Sometimes in my career I wonder: Is this finally it? Have we finally hit the point where software will stop getting slower and chonkier every year? I can’t think of sensible sounding ways to justify making software run orders of magnitude slower than it does now. And yet, I don’t know how but every time … it happens. Java came out when I was young, with a huge JRE installation, slow startup times, GC pauses and Java…

> Then Electron came out, making a “hello world” gui app need 800mb of RAM.

By my measurement, that's an order of magnitude too high. My real-world Electron app uses ~77 MB on startup on Windows, across the private working sets of all four processes. Granted, my JS code is relatively lean, but still, we should be charitable, if only because Electron hate is so rampant here.

> Electron makes Java feel light and nimble.

Total rose-colored glasses. Early in my career, in late 2001, I inherited a Java-based desktop app that took so long to start that we made it start looping background music part way through the startup process (it was an audio-based app for blind people, so that was our equivalent of a splash screen). I'm confident that if we developed the same app in Electron today, it would start an order of magnitude faster on today's typical end-user hardware. Some things do get better over time. In this case, bundling of both native and JS code in Electron apps is way ahead of what we had for the JVM in 2002, basically loading lots of little .class files from several .jar files, not to mention multiple native code DLLs as opposed to the Chromium mega-binary. Of course, the JVM world now has NativeImage which is even better, but I don't think anything like that was practically available back then.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Well, as the designers oft like to say: Defaults matter.

Does the default really matter in this case, though? It's not even like it takes a registry hack to move it back to the left. It's right there in the taskbar settings.

My parents don't even know that taskbar has settings. And they shouldn't have to know it.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Unpopular opinion: Windows UI has a lot of problems, but it's still much more intuitive and stupid-proof than macOS. Having worked with both, macOS is just inconsistent to the core (and Finder is an application one would have to pay a team of developers with the core instruction of 'make it a non-intuitive and unusable mess'). Also, I still use apps last maintained in 2010 on the latest Windows version, while apps wr…

>Finder is an application one would have to pay a team of developers with the core instruction of 'make it a non-intuitive and unusable mess' Some people seem to hate it but for me it’s absolute joy to use and the only file manager designed properly and for power users. Explorer totally falls apart once files in a folder are in the 10,000s performance anside its sorting and search are anemic compared to Finder.

Again, it's to take care of which use case falls in the majority - to optimize the 364 days of the year when I'm dealing with folders not having 10000 files/sub-folders in a folder or 1 day when I have to open such a folder. I thought macOS thought about those things since people were really singing hyperboles about it. It doesn't even show where you are by default! The file open dialog doesn't even allow to directly copy paste a path in a non-obscure way, same goes with any Finder window! Sure, you might have one indirect way or other for achieving these, but wasn't it all about the design choices it makes by default where people said it shines?

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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No, it's not from "just my expectations". I can understand that things work differently in different OSs, and having the same expectations from it won't be correct. There are also many on the internet who defend this design choice of giving no 'Cut' option for files saying "it is more natural/intuitive this way for how humans think", well, then you should not give 'Cut/Paste' even in your built-in Text Editor just to…

The things you are complaining about take a week, at most, to adjust to. I am a former Windows user who switched to Macs about seven years ago. Enter for rename is perfectly sensible to me. Personally, I use it more than Cmd+Down to open files. The Cmd+C + Cmd+Shift+V paradigm for cut/paste makes just as much sense as the Windows paradigm. Either way it's a just copy and delete function. Would you rather choose to de…

As I said above, it's about consistency. If you really believe Cmd+C and Cmd+Shift+V paradigm is what macOS has chosen for themselves in their Finder, they should then choose it everywhere else in their own OS, including in their text editors, IDEs and what not. There should just not be a concept of 'Cut' anywhere else in their OS - you should always decide if you wanted to move at the time of paste across the OS. But it's not like that at all. Windows is consistent in that.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

#397

If Microsoft employees can't fix it, something Apple fixed already for their OS years ago, then they should not be working on Windows I don't understand how incompetence is being protected and empowered at Microsoft, it's suspiciously worrying, i hope the military isn't dependent on Microsoft software, i'd be worried if they use their tech in the battlefield, HoloLens is another evidence things are fishy within that…

> I don't understand how

why, not how

can't edit the comment..

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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What's more embarrassing than UI is that after 10+ years Win10/11 Settings still don't have the functionality parity with Win7 Control Panel, evidenced by the fact you find links everywhere in Settings to officially ask you to open their equivalent in Control Panel to adjust "advanced" settings. And even at the places they do, arguments can be made about if their UX/UI are actually better; but that's kinda subjective…

This is now my major gripe with windows with tool versioning (since i admit that IIS is now more than usable, unlike in 2012). The settings are a pain to go through. When i find a powershell command or a regedit/cmd action that can avoid me the pain, i take it (and i'm always bummed that those are often the last proposed options). Also, i think spotlight in mac is way better than Search, and i dislike that it is Win+…

if you start typing with the start menu open it searches automatically so you can just hit Win.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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> o need to pay some UI designers big bucks to come up with rounded corners). It’s really unfortunate how dismissive of the entire ui design profession so much of HN is. Not a great look IMO

Microsoft's UI designers used to be useful. The Windows UI design got better by leaps and bounds at first, was at its peak between Windows 95 and Windows 2000, and has been getting worse ever since. The problem is now that the field has matured, there's a lot less that needs to be changed, so they've started to change things that were fine the way they were to justify not being downsized.

Not to pile on trashing the Windows 11 UI, but my first experience with it was actually watching a not-very-technical person attempt to restore a mistakenly deleted file by opening the trash can. The Windows Explorer app showed them a very large, obvious trash can icon, which they proceeded to click to open. It failed to open, so they clicked again...and again...not realizing that each time they clicked it, they were actually deleting an item they had selected. To add insult to injury, I don't believe the icon had a tooltip.

Bravo, Microsoft.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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I use Linux on my desktop most of the time. Recently I've been dual-booting into Windows 10. Whenever I run Windows my HDD usage spikes to 100% until I turn off "real-time virus protection". Does anyone know if this feature still exists in Windows 11, and if it is less buggy on W11? I'm sure there is some registry voodoo I could do to turn this off on every reboot - so far Googling the magic keys and trying them has…

I have process hacker installed and configured to start automatically as administrator on every login (via task manager) simply so I can set msmpeng.exe CPU and IO priorities to below normal. You can probably automate this with PowerShell as well if you don't want a third party application.

Personally, I run too much software downloaded off the internet to disable it entirely, and don't trust myself to remember to turn it back on.

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