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How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Post by telotortium »

asdff wrote: post #50
Animats wrote: post #37

So even in a supply glut, demand doesn't go up much. The supply of potential druggies is limited. That's good news.

I think if people were more open to it culturally it would be used a lot more. I know plenty of my elderly relatives who would benefit switching from opioids to this for their chronic pain, but they grew up being fed lies about the drug that precludes them ever experimenting. Socially its also not up to the level of alcohol is even in California. Every work event I have for instance has a selection of beers and wines…

Got to normalize edibles (and federal legalization wouldn't hurt). No one in the US is going to provide product to smoke or vape.

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Post by [deleted] »

asdff wrote: post #33
latchkey wrote: post #3

I spent about 4 years actively growing weed before it was "legal." in San Francisco. Because mine was indoor/soil/organic and didn't require driving up to Ukiah or waiting for the outdoor harvests, I got the same premium rates for it that are noted in the article. As soon as I realized that weed was eventually going legal, I stopped entirely because I could see the writing on the wall. It was becoming commoditized to…

I'm not sure what your operation was but I think there is still a market for your crop. There's plenty of weed in the dispensary, yes, but its taxed sometimes 30%. You get what you think is a cheap oz of weed but its in a sealed bag, and when you open it up it does the job sure according to THC % but its all that shake and larf and ugly stuff that comes from the trim bag and rock hard cure style of prep commercial gr…

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Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Post by nickthegreek »

asdff wrote: post #49
nickthegreek wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wild to not consider that cheap! In Ohio, with a med card, you will pay over $300 for 1.

There's a reason why there are dispensaries for ohioans set up just across the michigan border.

I believe the acceptable mold level in Michigan is 10x that of Ohio. Price is only one component, many people like a tightly regulated medical market to ensure safety.

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Post by standardUser »

asdff wrote: post #33
latchkey wrote: post #3

I spent about 4 years actively growing weed before it was "legal." in San Francisco. Because mine was indoor/soil/organic and didn't require driving up to Ukiah or waiting for the outdoor harvests, I got the same premium rates for it that are noted in the article. As soon as I realized that weed was eventually going legal, I stopped entirely because I could see the writing on the wall. It was becoming commoditized to…

I'm not sure what your operation was but I think there is still a market for your crop. There's plenty of weed in the dispensary, yes, but its taxed sometimes 30%. You get what you think is a cheap oz of weed but its in a sealed bag, and when you open it up it does the job sure according to THC % but its all that shake and larf and ugly stuff that comes from the trim bag and rock hard cure style of prep commercial gr…

I've had the exact opposite experience with recreational stores. A wide selection of accurately labelled and high quality products, instead of just a bag of weed that's way too strong for me, like the black market primarily provides. It's a million times more convenient and not much more expensive overall (unless you buy some premium products maybe).

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Post by standardUser »

asdff wrote: post #50
Animats wrote: post #37

So even in a supply glut, demand doesn't go up much. The supply of potential druggies is limited. That's good news.

I think if people were more open to it culturally it would be used a lot more. I know plenty of my elderly relatives who would benefit switching from opioids to this for their chronic pain, but they grew up being fed lies about the drug that precludes them ever experimenting. Socially its also not up to the level of alcohol is even in California. Every work event I have for instance has a selection of beers and wines…

I'm still shocked we don't have a weed emoji. There's at least 7 for booze.

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

asdff wrote: post #47
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are high-end weed products out there. High quality wax, concentrates, and edibles for discerning customers exists. Certain dispensaries also specialize in higher quality product. I enjoy many of these myself as legal weed in my area is still much cheaper than alcohol and I prefer the product. Wine has had a stable market for centuries with products aimed at many customer segments, high and low quality segments…

>discerning I have serious gripes with the high end market in the dispensary. For example, Stiizy will sell you a gram of distillate in a cartridge for $60. It's the exact same product as the one being sold in that same dispensary for $20 from a brand with less instagram presence. Distillate is pretty much commoditized. Also the entire $60 1/8th market is absurd to me, it seemingly exists for people who assume price…

Hah yeah these complaints are pretty similar to other luxury markets. I've always found Stiizy products to be more brand than actual substance. I'm also into coffee and roast my own beans and the same things apply to the coffee market. My home coffee roasts are similar quality to 3-4x more expensive bags of coffee at specialty roasters. I can even buy cups of coffee there which is still 2-3x more expensive than a cup of coffee I can brew at home with the specialty beans I bought already roasted. It's just how luxury works, it's some mix of quality, branding, and finding a customer segment willing to pay the markup to not do it themselves.

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Post by bpanon »

manicennui wrote: post #46
encryptluks2 wrote: post #42

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Wait, why in the world would they go to Oklahoma to grow? That is like asking for trouble from the law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/29/us/oklahoma-marijuana-boo...

Anyone know how to circumvent the paywall on these links on ios?

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Post by malermeister »

asdff wrote: post #45
rippercushions wrote: post #16

The cannabis boom seems to have been predicated largely on the assumption that it would resemble the high-end wine market, with expensive vintages, "budtenders", etc that can support lots of boutique farms and retailers. But it looks more like the future will resemble the tobacco industry, with slim profit margins and a handful of conglomerates controlling production. And in reality, for wine as well, LVMH owns many…

The difference between pretty good weed and the best weed is irrelevent when you throw the bud into your grinder, unless you are buying moonrocks (kind of like battering fried chicken, the bud is dipped in high thc% oil then kief). It's not like a whisky where you get this whole tasting experience and can taste the wood of the barrel it sat in; to my tongue at least smoke is smoke unless its the terrible brick weed t…

Smoke is smoke, but vapor is not vapor.

You can taste a lot more when you stop burning the plant and I think that's where the industry needs to go if it wants to develop that way

Re: How the marijuana ‘green rush’ fell apart

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Post by asdff »

telotortium wrote: post #51
asdff wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if people were more open to it culturally it would be used a lot more. I know plenty of my elderly relatives who would benefit switching from opioids to this for their chronic pain, but they grew up being fed lies about the drug that precludes them ever experimenting. Socially its also not up to the level of alcohol is even in California. Every work event I have for instance has a selection of beers and wines…

Got to normalize edibles (and federal legalization wouldn't hurt). No one in the US is going to provide product to smoke or vape.

That's why I think these edible drinks are really interesting for mass market. Pabst Blue Ribbon makes a thc beer now (no alcohol in it though). You can sip on one of these like you would a beer in a social setting, and it will be like 5-10mg which is as small as edibles go for the most part in terms of dosage. Even if that was high for your tolerance you can just cut yourself off, and safe the rest of the drink for another time if its not flat by then.

That being said, smoking weed has been normalized in california for perhaps over 50 years and you still don't yet see these drinks offered to people at social events really even though there will always be a ton of booze. Maybe it would take establishments actually getting licenses to serve and consume THC to really change how our culture looks at this stuff in contrast to alcohol.

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