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Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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post #798

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Didn't we already establish upthread why it matters? Why are we backtracking 5 comments deep?

Where was that? I must have missed it.

> Not seeing any person of color in an activity makes it’s so I don’t want to be the first.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34210289

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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The power of an outline when writing. Over the past few years, I've been teaching myself how to write better. I'm not talking about elementary syntax or grammar. I'm not talking about writing the traditional, American English five paragraph essay. I'm talking about writing longer pieces of prose, articles or blog posts or short chapters with word counts ranging anywhere between 1500-3000 words. On this journey of imp…

I also love and need outlines. It’s carried forward in not just writing, but making great presentations, plans, and decision making. Also, obligatory RiffTrax on outlines: https://youtu.be/yfcyVtD8-Dk

Thanks for sharing this!!! I know that the video clip itself is supposed to be satirical, but I actually found it quite useful. I loved it and watch all 10 minutes of it.

Out of curiosity, in the skit, do you know which book the actor is reading? In the skit, at the top of the page, the book is titled: "Making outlines and summaries"[0].

[0] Fast forwarded to specific time: https://youtu.be/yfcyVtD8-Dk?t=129

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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post #730

The power of an outline when writing. Over the past few years, I've been teaching myself how to write better. I'm not talking about elementary syntax or grammar. I'm not talking about writing the traditional, American English five paragraph essay. I'm talking about writing longer pieces of prose, articles or blog posts or short chapters with word counts ranging anywhere between 1500-3000 words. On this journey of imp…

I’ve straight up had to write essays in Excel before to break writers block. Absolute writing by outline.

I'd be interested in seeing an example of your writing process, using Excel as a way to break writer's block.

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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Correct, if you're following CANSPAM in the US you must abide by its rules in order to remain legal, however explicit opt-in is not required. What is required is: - No deceptive information - Valid physical address - Must have an easy way to unsubscribe, most often an unsubscribe link but asking the recipient to reply to stop being sent emails is also sufficient - Promptly honor unsubscribe requests within ten days O…

I'm in Germany, so far stricter rules apply. And often senders aren't even complying with the CANSPAM rules. Far too often have I received an email with sad gifs attached telling me they don't want to stop emailing me. Recruiters, Sales, shitty spam farms, it's all the same. My hometown already banned any kind of outdoor ads with lights and heavily regulated ad size, personally I'd appreciate if we banned advertising…

That's unfortunate in Germany, I've had people cold email me with good information, I've even gotten a few jobs from that. Similarly, I've had good clients come from cold email as well.

I'm not sure how advertising as a whole could be banned, there are many types, and it could be argued that even word of mouth (or merely even showing a brand image like logos) is a sort of advertising. Also, it would be very difficult for new entrants in an industry to start up, ironically cementing existing players in the market; Coca-Cola doesn't need more advertising since everyone knows about Coke, while a new soda brand would find it extremely hard to grow without any advertising whatsoever.

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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post #739

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The vast majority of adults read almost 0 books. I think there’s some value in forcing classic cultural capital when we can even if it’s lost on some.

Maybe the vast majority of adults don’t read books because as kids they were forced to read “classic” works they didn’t identify with nor enjoy and have thus been conditioned to see books as boring and worthless. Perhaps the solution is to not force specific books on anyone. If kids want to read Twilight for class, let them. Maybe it’s more important (and effective) to have them read anything and enjoy it than crammi…

> Perhaps the solution is to not force specific books on anyone. If kids want to read Twilight for class, let them. Maybe it’s more important (and effective) to have them read anything and enjoy it than cramming “high literature” down their throats.

We had two separate classes in school, one for English, and one just called "reading". In it, we could read whatever we wanted, as long as we read for the entire period. Sometimes we'd discuss our books. It was great.

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That's also true. To be honest, I don't know what the midpoint should be. For Shakespeare, we watched movie adaptations which made a lot more sense than just reading a somewhat dry play.

For plays, performance is an important part of what they are, so a theater program is also good. The issue is that performance arts, or the arts in general, usually are the first on the chopping block at schools that are either facing budgetary pressures or need to improve standardized test scores.

Well they were movie adaptations, not plays themselves, so cutting performance arts didn't make much of a difference for those in English class. But I agree, it's a shame that they're cut in many schools.

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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Are you familiar with the is-ought problem? Somewhat related. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem

Oh wow, I wasn’t but this perfectly sums it up! Learned it the hard way. “Fact-value” is another good way of putting it.

Yeah, David Hume has some good works. I recommend you read Treatise of Human Nature if you can, and follow along with commentary rather than trying to parse it all on your own, I took a class on modern philosophy where we covered it.

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> the BIPOC people I know haven’t been able to reap any professional benefits from it Probably because there's almost always an Asian who's more qualified or a white with better connections. The problem is the key insight you get from a BIPOC is BIPOC tend to not have much money (set aside equity and vicious cycles for another day), so unless they're your market, you're not interested in marketing to people who can't…

but this isn't about marketing or needing a BIPOC to point out BIPOC markets? thats a really odd take, how did you start with connections and end up with consumer marketing? is this a personal experience or is this non-sequitur is a common sentiment because we need to address that as ignorance

I'm looking how diverse candidates from Ivies meaningfully differentiate themselves. Ivies admit to discriminating against Asians, so on average, a BIPOC from an Ivy will be less qualified than an Asian. Why would you hire them, then? The pitch for diversity is always that diverse teams make better decisions, but it's not racial diversity that does it, it's different lived experiences. Companies exist to make money, so how can they turn someone's insight from an underprivileged background into sales when poor people buy less? This was also in the context of an MBA program where the whole purpose is making money. It'd be different for a PM of an app where 100% reach is the goal.

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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I also love and need outlines. It’s carried forward in not just writing, but making great presentations, plans, and decision making. Also, obligatory RiffTrax on outlines: https://youtu.be/yfcyVtD8-Dk

Thanks for sharing this!!! I know that the video clip itself is supposed to be satirical, but I actually found it quite useful. I loved it and watch all 10 minutes of it. Out of curiosity, in the skit, do you know which book the actor is reading? In the skit, at the top of the page, the book is titled: "Making outlines and summaries"[0]. [0] Fast forwarded to specific time: https://youtu.be/yfcyVtD8-Dk?t=129

Yeah it’s great!

A couple seconds before yours, he has an index card with the title “Directing Learning 371.3”

A quick search yields the title: https://openlibrary.org/works/OL7389387W/Directing_learning

But I was unable to find a physical or digital copy available. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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I'm not sure the 2005 study tells us much. Our question is which strategy works best for reducing discrimination. To answer that, we'd want to measure the level of discrimination over time to estimate the trend. Imagine we found an identical study from 1995 that showed that white people received 100% more callbacks at that time, and a study from 1985 that found that white people received 200% more callbacks at that t…

That's a pretty glib dismissal of a peer-reviewed and heavily cited study with a ton of data. Calling any of these interventions a social sledgehammer is laughably hyperbolic. How does any of what I said really on racism being simple? The name on the resume is obviously a symptom of a larger problem and only one of many ways someone's race shows up in any number of consequential situations far more difficult to spot,…

>That's a pretty glib dismissal of a peer-reviewed and heavily cited study with a ton of data.

I explained why regardless of study quality, the study can't support the point you want it to. You're not addressing my point, just making a vague appeal to authority.

>Calling any of these interventions a social sledgehammer is laughably hyperbolic.

What interventions are you referring to? You yourself referred to wokeness as "flawed and overly bandwagoned".

>How does any of what I said really on racism being simple?

You argued, without any supporting evidence, that it couldn't be the case that efforts to reduce racism could make it worse. If racism is complex then we shouldn't be surprised by counterintuitive results like that.

>The name on the resume is obviously a symptom of a larger problem and only one of many ways someone's race shows up in any number of consequential situations far more difficult to spot, like in neural network derived decisions.

I didn't claim that removing names from resumes was a complete solution, but it's suspicious that there seems to be so little interest in it, given that it could be very impactful.

Additionally, reducing hiring discrimination should have positive downstream effects: As Black people get better jobs, they move up in social class and that reduces stereotyping.

I think the fact that you aren't interested in an incremental solution should make you wonder if you're part of the flawed woke bandwagon you referred to. Remember, lots of incremental solutions can add up to a complete solution.

>No I don't blame crime fighting for the increased resistance to crime fighting because the actions taken by cops that people are actually mad about are crimes and opposing them is crime fighting.

By the same token, many people who claim to advance social progress may actually be advancing social regress.

>That you consider interrogating our culture to highlight racism to be political extremism says a lot.

I consider abolishing the police to be political extremism. See this article: "Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police" https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...

>I'm all done here.

I don't mind, it's tiresome to debate people who argue in bad faith.

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