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What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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> "Apple is Dooomed!" Google: 8,310,000 results in 0.38 seconds For the phrase "Apple is Dooomed!", including similar results, I get only 4 pages of google search results. For "Apple is Doomed!", including similar results, I get 31 pages.

Perhaps it was sarcasm, and not meant to be taken literally.

Having to explain this to the local pedants is the most HN thing.

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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I have famously predicted that sales of Mac's will decline and could even lead to a rout. Many professionals need Intel CPU support in order for them to run Windows on their Macbooks natively. And no, emulation isn't an option. I predict that Mac sales will sag and that this will lead Apple to slash more and more models, eventually undermining the legitimacy of the platform. Most users will switch to Linux on Intel l…

I have been using linux as my main desktop for more than 2 decades already but I think you are living in a parallel world.

The amount of users using windows on a mac is a negligible fraction of the customers. I personnally don't know a single person using a mac either for personnal or professionnal use that is firing up a windows OS on it. People loving the windows platform or who need to run some apps on it are choosing computers from other brands.

Booting windows on a mac appeal only to some developers who need both platform but they can easily remote connect to a windows if they need to.

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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VFX has largely been on Linux workstations since the demise of SGI. There’s never really been a Mac presence at the workstation level at those studios. Windows is already in many studios due to VR or Virtual Production work, since Unreal Engine kind of sucks on anything that isn’t Windows, and the same goes for VR. However there are a few areas that Macs are used heavily and where I don’t think Apple need to be worri…

"macOS has much better colour handling than windows". How is that ? Do you just mean apple screens have a better color calibration when you get them ? Or the OS come with some tools to handles colors in some ways Windows can't ?

It's a mixture of the calibration and the quality of the panel. You can have a color accurate panel that you calibrate if yourself, but if the max output is 250nits it won't be useful.

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Xeons have many, many PCIe lanes. Apple Silicon only needs enough HSIO for SSD and Thunderbolt ports, and they’ve released all of the non-internally-expandable machines already. They needed a chip that added 48+ PCIe lanes to the package so they could satisfy the relatively few Mac Pro customers. And without external DRAM, they’ll never be able to provide as much memory as a low-end Intel chip in the Mac mini at the…

IMO I think the reason why they didn't release the M1 Pro mini is because they didn't want to cannibalize their mac studio release. The M1 mini chassis has a ton of empty space, and the m1 pro is easily cooled by that space and is already cooled fine by the tiny macbook pro coolers, which also means an M1 Max mini would've worked fine also.

IMO the M1 Max studio body is unnecessary too, it's only really needed for the M1 Ultra, which would lead to barely anyone buying the mac studio form factor.

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I'd imagine most people going for the Mac Studio arent touching the balked Apple Display. It's been riddled with problems and at that price point you can get far better displays now. The panel they're using dates back to 2017 so it's not exactly like you're getting the latest and greatest in screen technology.

When you really look into what's available, there's a fair bit of variation in the market for different customers, but there's incredibly few 5k+ displays at 27 or ~30 inches. Like zero if you discount the LG. Everything else is kind of ok, but not always a good replacement.

Hot off CES:

"The ViewFinity S9 (Model Number: S90PC) is Samsung’s newest addition to its monitor lineup. It features a 5K 27” screen for the first time and is optimized for creative professionals such as graphic designers and photographers. Its 5,120 x 2,880 resolution combined with its wide color gamut of 99% DCI-P3, provides crisp and true-to-form details, and its average Delta E ≦ 2[1] color accuracy also produces clear and precise color representation, even in complicated or nuanced visual environments."

https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-electronics-unveils-new-...

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This is about to change with higher spec connectors being more widely available.

> This is about to change with higher spec connectors being more widely available. Thunderbolt 3 has been around for over five years on mainstream Mac (and Windows) machines, so what’s the excuse again? I can count the number of monitors in the same resolution space (or higher) on one hand! ;) There’s the insanely priced XDR 6K, there’s the not much better priced Dell 8K, then there’s the LG 5K that’s cheap plastic b…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34222687

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> This tells me that Apple could fit 32 performance cores in a laptop CPU I'm not too sure about that. The current 20-core CPU from Apple is inside the Mac Studio, and it has quite a monster of an air cooler. It's obviously going to be much harder to put that (or something more powerful) inside a laptop, even with all the chip improvements...

Interesting. Something’s not adding up here, though. 8 cores = “tiny fans basically always off” vs 20 cores = “two huge fans”. Either those two huge fans are running at a very low RPM, or the fans in the laptop are almost as efficient as the huge ones. I highly doubt the latter, so I assume the former is the case.

Really?

MBP 13: 4 performance cores + 4 efficiency cores

Mac Studio: 16 performance cores + 4 efficiency cores

Not to mention that the more cores you have, the bigger the overhead of e.g. synchronizing between them becomes

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In 2006, computing was less generous. A music producer probably needed a Mac Pro for their workflow to be efficient. Since then, Intel has massively reduced the delta between laptop and desktop chips. Coupled with the increase in computing ability of our processors while most tasks do not increase their needs (that music producer does not need more computing than in 2006) and desktops slowly faded to nothing but the…

The MBP was plenty sufficient for most music production tasks even in 2004 when I got my first one. If I were running a pro studio with a 32+ channel mixing desk, I could see needing more, but I was able to manage 16 channels of live recording and at least 64 channels of live mix on my 2004 TiBook.

Of course my point is not super strict about dates, it's about trends. I'm sure you were fine in 2004, but the more you go back into the past, the more a desktop is required.

And the more you move into the future the more a laptop is fine.

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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In 2006, computing was less generous. A music producer probably needed a Mac Pro for their workflow to be efficient. Since then, Intel has massively reduced the delta between laptop and desktop chips. Coupled with the increase in computing ability of our processors while most tasks do not increase their needs (that music producer does not need more computing than in 2006) and desktops slowly faded to nothing but the…

That's an interesting point. Do you know a good reference comparing laptop vs desktop cpu performance? I'm always confused by comparisons that inevitablty are affected by other laptop specific components (differences in mgpu / motherboard chipsets etc).

I guess you could look at the Mac Benchmarks of Geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks

Let's forget the whole Apple Silicon thing, and look at 2020. The difference in single core is minuscule, but the big difference is multicore. Unless you need those extra cores, those computers are equivalent.

Now compare a 2010 Mac Pro and the 2010-2012 consumer laptops. Single core is 100%, multi-core is at least 400%. That's a big delta and that's only 2010.

If you go back into the past, it would surely ebb and flow but surely stay in that zone. I'd expect a laptop to be half the speed of a big pro desktop all the way to the prehistoric times when all computers were beige and laptops charged extra to get rid of screen ghosting.

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Amazing mac haters still exist in 2023. The products have proven themselves in the market and with developers. Ignoring that is head-in-the-sand behavior. edit: 2023!

What I find most surprising is that people think the computer industry is somehow immune from the most basic of human qualities: choice. It's perfectly fine if some people don't choose or don't like Apple products. Just as it is perfectly fine for some not to want to use Linux or buy Windows. It's just choice. How silly that for some it is a strange, almost religious, war.

  > It's just choice.
my unscientific opinion, but i feel like people unconsciously associate validation of other (products, lifestyle etc) with an invalidation (ego) of their own choices... they are personalizing things...
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