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>North Carolina PennsylvAnia What is that?
looks like ncpa (.cpl)
Haha, yep. Sorry, I was relying on the context.
How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
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Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
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Metro was wonderful on Windows Phone and tablets . Garbage on the desktop. All Microsoft had to do to suppress the outrage was give people back the start menu on desktops like Windows 7 and allow a setting to turn on tablet mode if auto detection didn't work. Instead, probably because at that time they brought in people with no history in the Windows org to manage the Window org, we got a 10+ year decline of Windows…
Your timeline is off - SteveSi/Julie/etc. were brought in to lead the Win7 effort. Win8 was not a significant leadership change.
Windows 7 was just Vista gussied up, they didn't have leeway to change it.
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
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It sounds like you think the job of a UI designer it to make UIs look pretty. That's exactly the misconception that people are railing against, because it leads to disasters like Windows Vista, 8, and 11. The job of a UI designer is to make the UI usable . Looking pretty in screenshots must always be a lower priority than being functional and accessible.
You are exactly confusing UX and UI. Usability--what you are describing--is the UX or user experience, buttons colors composition affordance is the UI, connecting the buttons to the REST endpoints is frontend, servicing the REST endpoints is backend, making sure the backend is running and so is the gateway is devops. At least that's what it has been for 20+ years.
> You are exactly confusing UX and UI.
> Usability--what you are describing--is the UX or user experience, buttons colors composition affordance is the UI,
Considering these to be separate disciplines is just more of the same madness. They're inextricable.
> At least that's what it has been for 20+ years.
I think it's more that over the past 15-20 years there's been a growing trend of people forgetting that "look and feel" doesn't just mean "look".
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
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The Settings app. It's head-and-shoulders better than the Windows 10 version, or the mess that was Control Panel.
itd be a decent point if it wasnt still missing stuff that's existed as long as windows
At this point there is very little need to use the old Control Panel applets. There are a few advanced cases that haven't been migrated, but they're also quite rare, and they are still linked from Settings.
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like you think the job of a UI designer it to make UIs look pretty. That's exactly the misconception that people are railing against, because it leads to disasters like Windows Vista, 8, and 11. The job of a UI designer is to make the UI usable . Looking pretty in screenshots must always be a lower priority than being functional and accessible.
You are exactly confusing UX and UI. Usability--what you are describing--is the UX or user experience, buttons colors composition affordance is the UI, connecting the buttons to the REST endpoints is frontend, servicing the REST endpoints is backend, making sure the backend is running and so is the gateway is devops. At least that's what it has been for 20+ years.
You're correct. For example, if you're in someone else kitchen, trying to eat a meal and you didn't ask the house owner where the forks at so you go searching by yourself:
UX would be "what drawer will the utensils be within the kitchen? Usually close to the microwave/stove/fridge."
UI would be "Does this drawer need handles or can you open it from the bottom?"
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
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#347It seems like every few weeks I see posts on HN criticizing Windows about privacy and it’s inconsistent UI. It’s getting a little old. It’s trivial to use Group Policy Editor to disable windows “spyware” as HNers like to call it. As far as the “inconsistent” UI goes, it’s funny to me how no one talks about Linux and it’s inconsistencies which are much more significant. Windows is an OS a tool to get things done. My c…
> It seems like every few weeks I see posts on HN criticizing Windows about privacy and it’s inconsistent UI. It’s getting a little old.
It seems everytime someone points out the obvious flaws in Windows, Windows users seem to attack Linux even though they say "it's not for ordinary users".
I could show you tens of posts that criticize Linux and they are posted way too often but no, we only dislike it when someone attacks Windows™.
> It’s trivial to use Group Policy Editor to disable windows “spyware” as HNers like to call it.
and you don't consider it a spyware? Windows literally does what spywares do, it's not even up for debate anymore. Maybe the definition of spyware has changed in the last 10 years but I don't think Windows is a bad example of what a spyware is.
> As far as the “inconsistent” UI goes, it’s funny to me how no one talks about Linux and it’s inconsistencies which are much more significant.
UI inconsistencies? Really? Like having control panel or settings at the same time or having icons and UIs from the 90s?
Linux is fragmented, we get it. It's an obvious result of the nature of its working.
> Windows is an OS a tool to get things done
Many of us like our computers. We don't see tools as just tools. They represent philosophies, they represent ideas that we conform to in our life. We care because we care, not because we see them as means to an end, we want to enjoy the means to the fullest.
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
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>The second WTF was the centered start menu, killing my decade old reflex of going to the bottom left with the pointer and clicking. This at least has a toggle. Why do people even mention this? As you said, it has a toggle. How did it “kill your decade old reflex” when it literally takes 5 seconds to fix it?
Well, as the designers oft like to say: Defaults matter.
Does the default really matter in this case, though? It's not even like it takes a registry hack to move it back to the left. It's right there in the taskbar settings.
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#349> Explorer (which finally has tabs!)
This is great, but I do wish people would stop adding tabs to applications and start adding them to window managers instead...
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
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How?? How can one achieve this power?
I did it so long ago, so I’m not quite sure it was this. A quick google gave me this: https://windowsreport.com/windows-11-right-click-show-all-op... There are a few things out there, but I always trust a good ol’ registry hack over a 3rd party exe.
Thank you so much for this. I never even thought to look for a way to change it back, I thought I was stuck with this annoyance forever.