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The privatization of policing

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Re: The privatization of policing

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Private policing predates public policing,[0] and so asserting that this is is a new development is not really correct. The same is true, incidentally, of firefighting: private insurance companies formed their own private brigades to protect their policyholders' property.[1] Lots of things that we tend to think of as "naturally" public services have only very recently taken that form.

[0] See p. 1193 et seq. of this article: https://law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/default/fi...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_firefighting#Early_...

Re: The privatization of policing

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I just moved to Portland and I live in SouthEast (where this article is talking about). It was a shock seeing guards dressed in the same kit I wore in Afghanistan. They're not exaggerating the homeless situation here either. There's tons, and many of them are addicted to fentanyl or meth.

The political situation is exactly as they described. The county and city in Portland have a weird relationship. They're both "Progressive" but fight over what to do and how to spend money routinely. That's how we got the tents. It's incredibly cold in Portland and we don't have sprawling shelters to go to; most people don't want shelters near them because the homeless can be wild. For example, the night I arrived in Portland I started hearing a succession of booms. I got on to Reddit to find out that at the UHaul I'd dropped my trailer off at earlier that day that someone had tried to drill one of the gas tanks, which is made of magnesium, which sparked a fire. The fire spread to multiple vehicles and they exploded. Things like gunshots are heard pretty commonly; my neighbors deal meth, and down the street a man in the Mexican Mafia had a drive-by done on his house by his ex-girlfriend. PPB (Portland Police Bureau) isn't too interested in anything that's not immediately life threatening.

I didn't know these private security firms were doing this, and I'm glad they are now that I know. This situation between our county and city is what fuels this, though. PPB is its own beast; I haven't been here long enough to know what their issues are. In true Portland style, we are a bit miffed they had the energy to shutdown the Mushroom house downtown but not to deal with immense property crime. The problem with the model in this article is that stores are protected though not all businesses will pay for private security, so we have entire brands thinking about leaving Portland. People are left out of this equation though. If someone breaks into your house or your shed, I doubt you'll have the training to do what Echelon employees have. Oregon, over night, through Measure 114 also became the state with the strictest gun laws in the country thanks to Progressives and the Lutheran Church.

It's a wild state of affairs here past the Cascades.

Re: The privatization of policing

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>Hiring private security on a large scale is novel in America. No, it is not. Colleges and universities have been doing it for many decades. "Seventy-five percent of campus law-enforcement agencies have armed officers, according to a Bureau of Justice Statistics survey. Nine in 10 public campuses had “sworn” officers, meaning those who can carry a gun, have arrest power, and wear a badge; four in 10 private campuses…

The local state university has a real police department created by state law, it’s not private security but as legitimate as any other police department. When you call 911 within certain areas, they’re who are dispatched.

This is pretty common around the country for larger universities.

Re: The privatization of policing

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"Emma Freire is a senior writer for World magazine" which promises - on its masthead image - the following: "Sound journalism, grounded in facts and Biblical truth" The Federalist, American Conservative, Former Robert Novak Journalism Fellow. Alrighty then.

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Re: The privatization of policing

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post #22

I just moved to Portland and I live in SouthEast (where this article is talking about). It was a shock seeing guards dressed in the same kit I wore in Afghanistan. They're not exaggerating the homeless situation here either. There's tons, and many of them are addicted to fentanyl or meth. The political situation is exactly as they described. The county and city in Portland have a weird relationship. They're both "Pro…

Maybe I'm a bit of a small-town boy, but I find it hard to understand that a lot of people choose to live in these conditions and don't move away to somewhere quieter/safer.

Re: The privatization of policing

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Private policing predates public policing,[0] and so asserting that this is is a new development is not really correct. The same is true, incidentally, of firefighting: private insurance companies formed their own private brigades to protect their policyholders' property.[1] Lots of things that we tend to think of as "naturally" public services have only very recently taken that form. [0] See p. 1193 et seq. of this…

The first link appears to have died, at least from my point of view, so I’ll just ask — what era was this early private police force from? In Rome for example it seems like a lot of state-like functions were performed by wealthy/prestigious patrons, right? So the line seems a little blurry there.

On the other hand, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear that bounty hunters and private security pre-date the police.

Re: The privatization of policing

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"Emma Freire is a senior writer for World magazine" which promises - on its masthead image - the following: "Sound journalism, grounded in facts and Biblical truth" The Federalist, American Conservative, Former Robert Novak Journalism Fellow. Alrighty then.

I see you played the man and not the ball. I like that approach. You can quickly prevent a team from fielding if you break their legs.

Re: The privatization of policing

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>Hiring private security on a large scale is novel in America. No, it is not. Colleges and universities have been doing it for many decades. "Seventy-five percent of campus law-enforcement agencies have armed officers, according to a Bureau of Justice Statistics survey. Nine in 10 public campuses had “sworn” officers, meaning those who can carry a gun, have arrest power, and wear a badge; four in 10 private campuses…

> with most campuses in urban settings, they are focused more broadly on hard-core crime

What makes you sure of that other than the base assumption that that's what police should do so that's what they are doing?

Consistently across several major urban area metro police forces the police self-reportedly spend about %5 of their time on that sort of serious violent crime. I don't see why campus police would be any higher than that.

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