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How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Pretty sure some of these screenshots show Windows Vista design.

Oh they definitely do. And even some XP ones. But all the time that could’ve been spent updating those to a more modern UI style, they instead reinvented the wheel with Windows 8 and then had to roll it back, wasting about 5 years

They were on Vista/7 for years, but couldn't be bothered to upgrade the ancient Windows 3.x stuff. The problem seems much bigger than metro.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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To be fair, I think some examples, and specifically those from 95/NT and then 3.1 times, are too far-fetched. I agree that consistency is important, but it doesn't mean that every screen needs to be redesigned altogether. For instance, I don't think that examples of Screen Saver Settings or File Properties are relevant, as long as their styling is in line with the rest of the OS. One thing that surprises me a lot, th…

One universal solution that works for all apps - you render the app in an off-screen buffer and pass that to AI to re-render it in the new style. This way you don't need to touch the code. AI could also translate mouse clicks/coordinates accordingly if it moves stuff around. You could even have "UI themes", tell the AI to re-render in Windows 2000/XP/11 style. EDIT: the downvotes I'm getting with no comments are funn…

Sometimes in my career I wonder: Is this finally it? Have we finally hit the point where software will stop getting slower and chonkier every year? I can’t think of sensible sounding ways to justify making software run orders of magnitude slower than it does now. And yet, I don’t know how but every time … it happens.

Java came out when I was young, with a huge JRE installation, slow startup times, GC pauses and Java Swing.

Then Electron came out, making a “hello world” gui app need 800mb of RAM. Electron makes Java feel light and nimble.

Honorable mention for docker convincing windows and macos developers to write software inside slow virtual machines for no reason.

Recently, despite the tireless work of photoanalysisd on my Mac, and Microsoft teams on windows, things were starting to get faster again. Thank goodness for you, parent commenter. I can worry no longer. I was starting to wonder if the curse might be lifted.

I can see it now. It’s 2026. My fans spin up as a 8gb neural net live-translates the UI of notepad.exe for the modern age. My $4000 graphics card is showing its age. My mouse lags while I try and click on the menu. The UI is rerendered because Microsoft couldn’t be bothered porting the windows 11 UI code to the new windows 13 UI look and feel. Windows 13 looks different yet again for no reason. So they do the translation live on my GPU instead because it’s cheaper (for them). Programmer time is still expensive. In the background ChatGPT quietly makes web requests to live-translate all the menu items into the new social media acceptable language. The start menu is now on the right.

What a time to be alive.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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>The ability to choose icons that are more than 30 years old is still here, with the inclusion of the very important and absolutely critical to the good function of the OS moricons.dll I will happily bet there are programs out there that would crash and burn horrifically without moricons.dll.

It's the classical circle of (dreadful) life:

CRITICS: MS Y U SO SHIT REMOVE OLD CRUFT! NOW!

MS: but backward compatibility?

CRITICS: NOW!

MS: *removes moricons.dll*

SOMEUBERCRITICALAPP: *crashes*

CRITICS: MS Y U SO SHIT ?!

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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> Last, but not least, the boot screen has been updated to the new Windows logo, as well as the new WinUI loading circle, which replaces the dated spinning dots.

I guess this is why I'm not a designer, but why are the spinning dots dated and why is that bad?

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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I never quite understood the point of redesign. The only reason I can think of is marketing. Other than that, it's always, always a big mess. Why does everything need to be freaking round which makes it very ugly in low resolutions?

My personal theory is because that's how Apple does it and people absolutely love it.

Also people love "new shiny" things.

So you're spot on: Marketing.

You gotta go w the Zeitgeist. If in 20 years sharp corners will be the new shiny thing again you bet Windows 14 will go back to using those.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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To be fair, I think some examples, and specifically those from 95/NT and then 3.1 times, are too far-fetched. I agree that consistency is important, but it doesn't mean that every screen needs to be redesigned altogether. For instance, I don't think that examples of Screen Saver Settings or File Properties are relevant, as long as their styling is in line with the rest of the OS. One thing that surprises me a lot, th…

This person isn’t necessarily complaining, I see it more like documenting.

I still find it surprising that in some forgotten corner of Windows we get 3.11 file dialogue. But also who cares really.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but I do want to point out that some of these "not updated" things are still heavily used and offer a bad user experience. For example the Services (or any mmc based) UI with no filter/search integrated is absurd. Heck they just "redesigned" Task Manager and none of the tabs have filter/search functionality which is annoying to say the least. I suppose you can start typing with the inner tab having focus, an…

Task Manager not having a modern filter/search for the gigantic list isn’t only an annoyance and a productivity killer but also a security issue. If I suspect a nefarious app is running in the background somewhere I have to manually read the list to find it and kill it. End of the day one of two things is happening, either no one influential at MS uses Windows or their structure is so broken that pointing out somethi…

tasklist | findstr "malicious.exe"

or

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq malicious.exe"

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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I wonder if they kept the ODBC driver installer window with the win3.x-style file tree unchanged, just so they could be compatible with random old legacy odbc driver installer program that might try to programatically automate interactions with that UI? I don't know first-hand of any such program, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was some old important enterprisey installer that expects the file chooser dialog to…

I think it was the thing somewhere in the earlier 00's, with the move to Vista/7 they didn't touch it and then anyone who could or cared to change it already left the company and the cool guys who decided what 04 Apr 04 is a fucking great placeholder for choosing between M/D/Y and D/M/Y format didn't knew what ODBC even means.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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As a 25+ year user of windows none of this stuff bothers me. What ticks me off is just the abysmal quality of windows 11 compared to the past. It’s like no one working on it has any pride in their job Example: - hate the new notification area. The action center was so much better - dumb stuff like a window update notification that shows a c# class name instead of windows update - clicking said notification does not b…

I think that's mostly from them laying off a lot of their QA department in 2014/2015 timeframe. Even with Windows 10, I would have issues with the taskbar abruptly reloading.

https://www.ghacks.net/2019/09/23/former-microsoft-employee-...

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Funny how the more the screenshots go back in history, the more 'useful' the UI looks like (even though they no longer adhere to the current fashion fad - which should actually be handled through a user-accessible themeing engine, no need to pay some UI designers big bucks to come up with rounded corners).

For instance right in the first Task Manager screenshot, I have no clue what those tab icons on the left side actually mean - with one exception: "users". There are two icons that both look like hamburger menues FFS.

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