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What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by CTDOCodebases »

yakubin wrote: post #115

I don’t know if it’s the fault of Apple Silicon, but on my Mac applications regularly crash. That includes ACDSee, IINA, qBittorent, Edge, KeePassXC, Sublime Text, Sublime Merge… There is at least one crash every 3 days. Nothing like it happens on my Windows, Linux or FreeBSD systems. It’s my first Mac, so I can’t compare this experience to Intel Macs, and so I don’t know if it’s just that MacOS is so unstable in gen…

How much memory do you have? I would suspect faulty ram or a faulty SSD that is causing issues when virtual memory is used.

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by silvestrov »

mrtksn wrote: post #62
BooneJS wrote: post #8

Xeons have many, many PCIe lanes. Apple Silicon only needs enough HSIO for SSD and Thunderbolt ports, and they’ve released all of the non-internally-expandable machines already. They needed a chip that added 48+ PCIe lanes to the package so they could satisfy the relatively few Mac Pro customers. And without external DRAM, they’ll never be able to provide as much memory as a low-end Intel chip in the Mac mini at the…

Considering that Mac Pro is a special purpose machine, maybe it can be possible to have an architecture with multiple M2 Ultra chips and expansion options for special purpose hardware? Highly parallelizable workloads and use cases with special hardware requirements(like encoding media, ML computations etc.) can benefit from this stuff. Apple already sells cards like this for Mac Pro. Surely that would require archite…

I see 3 steps: a) Mac Studio, b) MacPro with PCI/MPX modules, c) Dedicated HW boxes.

I think the size of the step between a and b is becoming too small to be viable: not enough extra performance, and too high price compared to step c.

Dedicated HW boxes connected using Ethernet/Thunderbolt/USB-C have the great advantage that you are no longer bound to whatever Apple offers this year. You will just use the Mac/Windows as a "advanced graphical terminal".

Same for hardware developers. Looking back at the past 10 years of MacPro shows great uncertainties in what Apple offers going forward. Why would you spend time making a PCI card for MacPro when Apple so easily abandons support for PCI with the TrashCan while you could have a reliable market with a thunderbolt/ethernet accessory?

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by lapcat »

UltraViolence wrote: post #58

I have famously predicted that sales of Mac's will decline and could even lead to a rout. Many professionals need Intel CPU support in order for them to run Windows on their Macbooks natively. And no, emulation isn't an option. I predict that Mac sales will sag and that this will lead Apple to slash more and more models, eventually undermining the legitimacy of the platform. Most users will switch to Linux on Intel l…

> I have famously predicted that sales of Mac's will decline and could even lead to a rout.

c/famously/anonymously

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by coldtea »

nier wrote: post #120
coldtea wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mac are what sustained Apple pre- and post-Jobs, when it WASN'T YET about "unprofitable vanity products". If the iPhone goes down, the Macs are exactly what Apple still has going for them...

In my understanding of history it would be more accurate to write: The Apple II is what sustained Apple post- and pre-Jobs.

The Apple II was irrelevant at the timeframe I'm discussing (pre-Jobs being before Jobs came back in 1997 and post-Jobs being after Jobs return).

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by avidphantasm »

ErneX wrote: post #118
yakubin wrote: post #115

I don’t know if it’s the fault of Apple Silicon, but on my Mac applications regularly crash. That includes ACDSee, IINA, qBittorent, Edge, KeePassXC, Sublime Text, Sublime Merge… There is at least one crash every 3 days. Nothing like it happens on my Windows, Linux or FreeBSD systems. It’s my first Mac, so I can’t compare this experience to Intel Macs, and so I don’t know if it’s just that MacOS is so unstable in gen…

No crashes on mine, maybe you got a lemon?

Yeah, compared to my 12th-gen i9 XPS laptop, my M1 Pro *never* crashes. Granted, the XPS now crashes much less since I switched to Linux 5.19, but it still hangs (mostly due to wake from sleep issues) much more often than my MBP.

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by JKCalhoun »

yakubin wrote: post #115

I don’t know if it’s the fault of Apple Silicon, but on my Mac applications regularly crash. That includes ACDSee, IINA, qBittorent, Edge, KeePassXC, Sublime Text, Sublime Merge… There is at least one crash every 3 days. Nothing like it happens on my Windows, Linux or FreeBSD systems. It’s my first Mac, so I can’t compare this experience to Intel Macs, and so I don’t know if it’s just that MacOS is so unstable in gen…

I can tell you my MacBook Pro with the M1 and Mac OS Monetary does not crash.

But without knowing the machine and OS version that you have my data point is perhaps not very helpful.

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #126
yakubin wrote: post #115

I don’t know if it’s the fault of Apple Silicon, but on my Mac applications regularly crash. That includes ACDSee, IINA, qBittorent, Edge, KeePassXC, Sublime Text, Sublime Merge… There is at least one crash every 3 days. Nothing like it happens on my Windows, Linux or FreeBSD systems. It’s my first Mac, so I can’t compare this experience to Intel Macs, and so I don’t know if it’s just that MacOS is so unstable in gen…

I can tell you my MacBook Pro with the M1 and Mac OS Monetary does not crash. But without knowing the machine and OS version that you have my data point is perhaps not very helpful.

What’s Mac OS Monetary? :)

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by interpol_p »

yakubin wrote: post #115

I don’t know if it’s the fault of Apple Silicon, but on my Mac applications regularly crash. That includes ACDSee, IINA, qBittorent, Edge, KeePassXC, Sublime Text, Sublime Merge… There is at least one crash every 3 days. Nothing like it happens on my Windows, Linux or FreeBSD systems. It’s my first Mac, so I can’t compare this experience to Intel Macs, and so I don’t know if it’s just that MacOS is so unstable in gen…

In general I find macOS very stable. Though I do not use any of the same apps you do aside from Sublime Text and qBittorrent

On qBittorrent specifically the application can often "feel" like it is hanging because it brings up modal windows behind the main window, meaning you need to drag the main window away to interact with the modal and the main window will be unresponsive in that time. This may make it feel like it is hanging, when really it's just down to a non-native macOS application not using the correct APIs to display modal sheets

I do occasionally get other application crashes, maybe a couple per month, usually it's down to the application doing something it shouldn't. My current macOS uptime is 28 days, which is when I last installed an update that required a restart

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by jsjohnst »

donbrae wrote: post #105
dmitriid wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They could accomplish that by simply killing off the Mac Pro line. In the time after the trashcan Mac Pro they lost a significant portion of the professional market. And while that market is relatively small, it's highly influencial. By the time Final Cut Pro X was unveiled Apple could boast that 60% of Hollywood movies are edited on a Mac. Now? Not so much. And this probably extends into other areas, too.

Indeed. Releasing FCP X as an MVP (a concept no-one outside of software dev understands), without the features in FCP 9 that professionals expect, was a bad idea. I know a couple of filmmakers that switched to PC, partly due to the cost of Macs but also because of FCP X.

> without the features in FCP 9 that professionals expect

There was no version 9, nor version 8. ;)

Re: What’s Left in the Apple Silicon Transition

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Post by JKCalhoun »

coldtea wrote: post #83
UltraViolence wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will hold as long as Apple makes tons of money from its iPhone business. The minute however that this starts to sag they'll start cost-cutting and they'll start with unprofitable vanity products like Mac's.

The Mac are what sustained Apple pre- and post-Jobs, when it WASN'T YET about "unprofitable vanity products". If the iPhone goes down, the Macs are exactly what Apple still has going for them...

I'm not sure. I'd love to share your optimism because, perhaps like you, I am not a "phone guy" and I probably never will be.

Increasingly though it feels like those of us who prefer a laptop (or desktop machine!) over a phone are like HAMs ... or perhaps guys that like manual transmissions.

It seems more likely that it will be the Macs that go down, and not the iPhones a decade or so from now.

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