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Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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Post by yieldcrv »

crackercrews wrote: post #509
yieldcrv wrote: post #468

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read it again, its not about getting hired, its about getting capital and decision making roles that skip the corporate ladder. these have an overrepresentation of Ivy League MBAs in them with a pedigree that has nothing to do with promotions. People see the Ivy League MBA as key to this and aren’t interested in the other things an MBA can do. The jobs these disillusioned alumni have were attainable without the MBA.

Your original claim was much broader: > despite their ambitions the BIPOC people I know haven’t been able to reap any professional benefits from it

because they didn't need the MBA for the roles they did land

its all part of one contiguous complete thought

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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Post by themitigating »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #305
nivethan wrote: post #226

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2. Hits home for me as I’ve begun to realize the same thing. Not seeing any person of color in an activity makes it’s so I don’t want to be the first.

As a white guy, I'd certainly encourage you not to worry about this -- if we're talking about an upper middle class, professional-ish activity, you can be fairly sure that all those white people feel self-conscious about their group being so white and would welcome you to join them. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about the psychology of this. I remember when I was growing up in the 90s and 00s in California,…

"As a white guy, I'd certainly encourage you not to worry about this -- if we're talking about an upper middle class, professional-ish activity, you can be fairly sure that all those white people feel self-conscious about their group being so white and would welcome you to join them."

This isn't an attack and your sentiment seems genuine but obviously this person knows his fears are not logical. I doubt most people can will themselves into feeling accepted even if others, like yourself, do your best to them feel accepted.

That's why representation matters

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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Post by Akronymus »

leftcenterright wrote: post #222

Visual thinking! [1] I had read a bit about different types of thinking but I didn't really understand it so well until I saw a kid who had amazing visual thinking capability and could visualize years' old memories in a very detailed manner. It has also been related to photographic memory according to some research. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_thinking Nikola Tesla's Creative Thinking Secrets: https://ww…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia

This could be some fun reading for you.

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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Post by yieldcrv »

threadweaver34 wrote: post #419
yieldcrv wrote: post #264

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Similarly this gives me pause about Ivy League MBA programs. Although a small sample size, despite their ambitions the BIPOC people I know haven’t been able to reap any professional benefits from it. Whether from access to executive roles, getting taken seriously by venture capital firms, or in their attempts to join venture capital firms. There is a level of discretion in these team forming situations that is not ex…

> the BIPOC people I know haven’t been able to reap any professional benefits from it Probably because there's almost always an Asian who's more qualified or a white with better connections. The problem is the key insight you get from a BIPOC is BIPOC tend to not have much money (set aside equity and vicious cycles for another day), so unless they're your market, you're not interested in marketing to people who can't…

but this isn't about marketing or needing a BIPOC to point out BIPOC markets?

thats a really odd take, how did you start with connections and end up with consumer marketing?

is this a personal experience or is this non-sequitur is a common sentiment because we need to address that as ignorance

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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Post by satvikpendem »

Balgair wrote: post #362
mabbo wrote: post #312

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I completely agree with this. I loathed Shakespeare in school. Now I try to get a visit every year to the Stratford Festival (in Stratford, Canada) to see at least one or two Shakespearean plays. I also remember reading 1984 on my own time in high school- it wasn't in the curriculum the year I might have. It blew me away. But if I'd been forced to read it, I probably would have been bored.

For other HN readers: I was like this too. I had no interest in ol' Bill. Then I read his 'best' works. And then I read them again. It takes a bit to get really used to iambic pentameter, to the old words, to the places and people he was writing for, to his limitations of candlelight and lack of amps, etc. Reader, it is totally worth it . There are very many very good reasons that he is still produced and studied. I…

To add to this, Shakespeare might sound dry, but it's the same as if you read a screenplay instead of watching a movie; plays are meant to be seen, not (only) read.

Something else that might impact our current understanding is that we are not in their time period, so many things we don't understand might be specific to their time, even if we get the broad strokes and very human themes, such as love or revenge. It's the same as if someone 400 years from now saw the movies we put out, some things are just very specific to the time and place.

There's also the change in English and pronunciation too, of course.

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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Post by gnat »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #487
tootie wrote: post #413

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Sapiens by Harari covers this extensively. So much of human development is our ability to ascribe fictive boundaries and definitions to things. Rules, authorities, myths, money, culture, countries, companies. What are any of them? They're all made up. We could just stop believing in all of them tomorrow.

A convenient stance, I suppose, when discussing what to do with “useless eaters.”

Convenience isn't the point. The rules of society, laws, morality, ethics, compassion as a virtue ... they don't exist as physical laws. They're human constructs, and humans can (and do) choose to ignore them.

It's an important growth moment to realise that the consequences of violating those "laws" are not delivered by the laws of nature but instead by the behaviour of humans. So you can be rude or arrogant, and the only punishment for that comes from people choosing not to work with you or similarly being unpleasant back to you.

Nazis had a lack of compassion and denied some people the (man-made!) rights of humanity based on race, ability, sexual orientation, and other categories. The consequences for that behaviour had to come from other people standing up to them.

I've met people who think that "the universe" will deliver just punishment for violating an ethical or moral code. In reality, every society and set of values is held together by people defending them and meting out punishing to violators. Sometimes formally (police, courts, armies, declarations of war) and sometimes personally.

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

carapace wrote: post #423
icepat wrote: post #310

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Controversial in that it's generally considered a pseudoscience. I'd advise against anyone looking to figure out how to navigate this wasting their time with pseudosciences.

> it's generally considered a pseudoscience. Only by people who have no experience with it. NLP ("Neurolinguistic Programming", not Natural Language Processing) is pre-scientific , yes, but that's not the same as being a pseudoscience, and calling it such is a disservice. We have pretty much discovered the operating system of the human mind. applying the principles and techniques discovered and systematized under the…

I don’t really care about this one or the other but you’re taking about this thing exactly the way cultists do. It doesn’t lend it any credence. Why would the “evil scientists” be so against your ideology, specifically? Academics publish papers on all kinds of things. This is the same type of stuff of Gene Ray or flat-Earthers etc.

Re: Ask HN: Concepts that clicked only years after you first encountered them?

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Post by dmak »

This might be a good thread to ask this. I have done all the math in college, but I don't fundamentally understand sine, cosine, tangents, and logs. For sine, cosine, and tangents, I understand how they may correlate on a graph, but that doesn't really give me additional insight into how to apply or use any of this. Similar thoughts on logs, especially when it comes down to O(logn).

Maybe someone can direct me to a video to help me develop a deeper insight?

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