Apple is Finally Evil • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by unalone » Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 7:35 AM UTC

131072 wrote: post #19

unalone wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Disney a swear word? It churns out a lot of popular crap and it has Pixar making probably the best movies out there now. Steve Jobs made it company policy not to release "direct-to-DVD sequels". Remember that? Without that, Disney quality jumped a LOT (which, I know, just says how awful they HAD been). Meanwhile, they've reinstated their 2D animation department, which is BIG fun news and which might bring back…

Disney is typically cited as a major force behind the never-ending extension of copyright (the famous 'keep mickey out of the public domain' strategy). Disney has also put considerable resources into lobbying for ever-more-oppressive legal measures such as mandatory DRM hardware in computers. They are no friend of the typical hacker. Steve Jobs, as a major shareholder and board member, could influence this if he so c…

I don't agree, but I understand the argument now. Thanks for the response!

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by eptiger » Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 5:24 AM UTC

TrevorJ wrote: post #2

This comes across as a bit rant-ish, but I can absolutely see his point. Apple has a fine line to walk in terms of continuing to present it's users with the level of quality applications they are used to however the lack of clarity from Apple about the approval process coupled with the NDA means that nobody can even learn from other developer's experiences.

Sorry, it was a bit rant-ish and I openly admitted to it :) I almost never do that, but I was so tired of reading about all the junk Apple was doing to make developers' lives harder.

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by eptiger » Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 5:29 AM UTC

sunkencity wrote: post #5

I'm a bit sceptical about the googlephone being the good guy. I wish he hadn't started on that. It's very tempting to pit the google phone against the iphone, but to be fair the only good guy in town is openmoko. The problem with openmoko though is that the interface is utter crap, but it's the best bet for a "free" platform for developers.

First of all, there is no google phone :) Let's be fair to Google, there's Android and then there's the G1. I don't have a high opinion of the G1.

Yes, in an ideal world openmoko would go head-to-head with the iPhone OS and it'd have a better interface and all that stuff. However, it will probably never be something mainstream users will want or care about. Android is the closest thing we have right now to be a rich, open mobile platform that will be on phones that a lot of people will actually buy and want to have. Until around the time the iPhone came out, people hated their phones, by and large. I give credit to Apple, though they do not get sole credit, for helping stimulate more innovation in cell phones.

Anyway, my point was that Android actually stands a chance against the iPhone OS but it's not a done deal and we still need good hardware for it. Ultimately, I want it to cause Apple to loosen up on these stoic principles behind the app store.

Re: Apple is Finally Evil

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Post by eptiger » Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 5:36 AM UTC

geuis wrote: post #7

This is just IMHO: The whole "rant on Apple's app store policies" meme has run out of mileage. Its kinda getting like Rickrolls, except not as funny. I know several developers that have successfully gotten apps into the store. One of them is doing VERY well. His opinion when I asked him about this was basically, "Apple states it all pretty clearly in the documentation when you sign up. Some types of apps (podcaster f…

I didn't mean to cut out from the loop the developers who have been making a lot of money from the app store with their great apps. And Apple can do whatever the hell they want with the iPhone, it doesn't belong to developers. That being said, it's just not fair for them to be so completely arbitrary in how they run the app store. Is it legal? Of course. There's nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't make sense.

When you have the potential to make even more money on a great product and make the user experience better and bring in even more users in the process, why wouldn't you? Yes, it does remove the control that Apple has had over their products and, arguably, has kept the quality of their products at a high level, but they're not doing the best job of filtering so that bad apps don't get in the app store so it simply doesn't make sense.