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Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

#151
i love running, or i should say i used to

now after about a mile my feet go numb and i stop

if anyone can recommend books on how to fix it that would be great.

i’ve had doctors universally tell me not to run because of my herniated disk but i had doctors be wrong in the past. hoping this is the case again.

best prospects so far have been running barefoot but struggle to do that too.

Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

#152

Personally, I think aren't many better return on investment activities than spending half an hour every day on a morning jog. You can run more than that but I think half an hour steady state easy run each morning gives you 80% of results. If you love running (I do), knock yourself out. But that half an hour is enough to do wonders to your health over long periods of time with minimum chance for negative consequences.…

> I think a lot of people go hard on it and overdo it and then get injured or stop it for other reasons.

Yes, I think C25K and the "just run" sentiment in general is missing half a dozen asterisks about this aspect. Like "except don't run on concrete for the first year", or "except do this progression of exercises for feet and tendons for 3 months before you start doing continuous 2-3k", or just "hire a trainer to get you started".

I've never been overweight, been active as a kid, was in increasingly good physical shape throughout my 3 attempts to start running over the years and got injured for months every time. By the last attempt I was taking multi-hour walks as a habit, lifting weights 5 days a week, watching my sleep and diet. And heart rate monitor has shown that I straight up didn't have this magical "easy run" heart rate zone available - brisk walk was well below 120 bpm and even jogging in place got me over 130.

C25K is great for what it is, but I feel what it is is not enough to start running safely.

Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I shower every day anyway, so I don't count shower time as cost of running. I head out first thing in the morning immediately after I get up and then shower immediately after I come back. Which I think is a terrific way to start my day. Does it take time? Yes, it does, but only if you look at it in this simplistic way. Even if I did not enjoy running itself, it makes the rest of the day feel better for me which I thi…

> I shower every day anyway, so I don't count shower time as cost of running. So do I, and there's no way I could go out for a run before it - so the post-run one would be additional, that's why I count it as a cost.

If you shower every day you aren’t noticeably dirty in the morning and you will get sweaty either way so why not?

Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

#154

Personally, I think aren't many better return on investment activities than spending half an hour every day on a morning jog. You can run more than that but I think half an hour steady state easy run each morning gives you 80% of results. If you love running (I do), knock yourself out. But that half an hour is enough to do wonders to your health over long periods of time with minimum chance for negative consequences.…

I agree with you, but there's one big "Oh, right..." in there. Up until a year and a half ago, I had never enjoyed a jog in my life. I had done plenty of "jogging" during school years, as part of gym class, but nobody had ever explained to me difference between a pleasant jog and running until you drop. I stopped exercising for many years. Then started powerlifting. A couple of years ago I decided that I should take…

Yep. This is the thing that I wish somebody told me when I first ventured to start running.

Light run is when I run with somebody else and I still can have a pleasant conversation.

I take phonecalls when I am running and I had situations where people were surprised when I told them I am running (they expected me to be panting probably).

IMO there is no need to run any harder than that if your goal is maximising your wellbeing (unless your wellbeing comes from winning races...)

Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

#155

Personally, I think aren't many better return on investment activities than spending half an hour every day on a morning jog. You can run more than that but I think half an hour steady state easy run each morning gives you 80% of results. If you love running (I do), knock yourself out. But that half an hour is enough to do wonders to your health over long periods of time with minimum chance for negative consequences.…

I never liked running or walking much, I think due to a kind of impatience where it feels like I'm going too slow. If someone relates to this you might love ebikes. A lot more fun and you can get as much exercise as you want to out into it. And you can ride them on the road where it might be dangerous or awkward to walk.

Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

#156
My advice is get a semi-active dog.

My dog wakes me up at 6am to go out potty. I get up, run him a 5k, and it takes about 30 minutes total. A walk would be 20 minutes so it’s not that much longer.

Being semi-active means my dog will conk out after his run and be well regulated the whole day. If he doesn’t get his run, he will become mischievous in order to entertain himself.

The morning run solves for several needs - including my health - and not doing the run has a built in consequence of dealing with a bored and mischievous dog for the day.

Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

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post #153
post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I shower every day anyway, so I don't count shower time as cost of running. So do I, and there's no way I could go out for a run before it - so the post-run one would be additional, that's why I count it as a cost.

If you shower every day you aren’t noticeably dirty in the morning and you will get sweaty either way so why not?

I guess it all depends on your climate or what you do for work.

Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

#158

i love running, or i should say i used to now after about a mile my feet go numb and i stop if anyone can recommend books on how to fix it that would be great. i’ve had doctors universally tell me not to run because of my herniated disk but i had doctors be wrong in the past. hoping this is the case again. best prospects so far have been running barefoot but struggle to do that too.

Your shoelaces are too tight. Your feet will swell.

Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

#159

Personally, I think aren't many better return on investment activities than spending half an hour every day on a morning jog. You can run more than that but I think half an hour steady state easy run each morning gives you 80% of results. If you love running (I do), knock yourself out. But that half an hour is enough to do wonders to your health over long periods of time with minimum chance for negative consequences.…

I agree with you, but there's one big "Oh, right..." in there. Up until a year and a half ago, I had never enjoyed a jog in my life. I had done plenty of "jogging" during school years, as part of gym class, but nobody had ever explained to me difference between a pleasant jog and running until you drop. I stopped exercising for many years. Then started powerlifting. A couple of years ago I decided that I should take…

I highly recommend "80/20 Running: Run Stronger and Race Faster By Training Slower" by Matt Fitzgerald. Don't let the title put anyone off -- it's about performance, but most of the book is about the value of going SLOW.

Like you, I was never really a runner, although I did get into running when I met my current partner, who is a runner. I think what's complicated for most not-fit people is that they only have one running "speed'. I only had one running speed until I was almost 40. There was walking, and then there was running. Obviously there was also "sprinting" but we all recognize that's unsustainable. I think for most of us, "running" is what a runner would call a tempo run -- say 80% of your maximum heartrate, something you feel you can sustain more-or-less indefinitely, but that's hard.

When you're not-obese-but-out-of-shape, you might walk a mile in 15-17 minutes, and a run would be in the 10-12 minute range. It's hard to actually go any slower than that and still be running. And as you slowly get more fit, your runs get down to (say), a 9 minute mile, an 8 minute mile. But you never realize you can (and should!) scale back to that 10 or 12 minute mile. You'll be able to run every day instead of every few days. You'll get the health benefits without the injuries. And the side benefit is that, if you add speed work, you'll get faster more quickly than if you just ran at 'running speed' all the time.

The couch to 5k program listed mentions mixing walking and running -- this is a great alternative to a "slow run" for those who still only have 1 speed.

Re: Get Running with Couch to 5K

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Running is better than sitting on the coach. But strength training is better than running. Why you should not be running , by Mark Rippetoe: https://startingstrength.com/article/why-you-should-not-be-r...

+1 to the sentiment.

I tended to treat jogging as synonymous with getting fit and thought of everything else as specialization you could do once you were fit if you had some other goal. When I didn't see the progress I wanted from jogging, my take was "well, next year I guess I just need to actually get serious about my running and my eating."

When this "common sense" approach wasn't working after N years I decided to try something different. A year doing 3x weekly mix of circuit training and HIIT classes with zero other exercise and no particular diet plan was drastically more effective than jogging. When I reincorporated running about nine months in, I was pleasantly surprised to find that I had improved my all-time best mile from college by 30 seconds, basically for free. I am positive that if I'd spent those nine months jogging, it would not have made me better at burpees or pull-ups, but the reverse seems to have been true. In the four years since then, I've also found it much easier to maintain my weight, feel improved well-being, etc.

Running is better than not running, but it's not the end all, be all, and it might not even be what you need so if you aren't seeing progress from running, don't get discouraged or decide you just need MORE running.

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