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Re: Gripes with RSS after one week

#91

I used Yahoo! Pipes to help manage the firehouse part of RSS. I filtered on keywords, used it manage duplicates across feeds and a few other things. It would be great to have that kind of functionality in a reader. Bookmarked https://pipes.digital/ but haven’t yet played with it. Edit: fixed link

Please don't hesitate to let me know whether pipes.digital worked for you!

Re: Gripes with RSS after one week

#92
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. I use NetNewsWire and always paste in the main URL. Hunting down the rss link is not a thing.

Two things happened in my first week: - Using the iOS Safari share button to “Open in NetNewsWire” would silently fail if the blog didn’t have a feed. I went looking for my feeds later and they were missing. I tried a few more times before realizing, “oh, there’s just no feed.” - Some sites I found had multiple feed links (one per kind of post: long post, short fragments, photo posts). NetNewsWire would always pick t…

I’ve used rss for a lot of years. But I’m pretty lazy and not particular about it. If only a snippet is contained in the feed item, I just click into the website.

Side note: I kind of wish these “rss is back” posts that were referenced in this article contained “hey here’s my rss subscription list.” Because I’d like to learn about new cool stuff to subscribe to.

Re: Gripes with RSS after one week

#93
The best RSS reader I used was back in 2006 I think it was and it was an Outlook plugin. It retrieved RSS feeds and displayed them as emails so ALL of the Outlook functionality (filters, read/unread, search) could be used. It was awesome. It also handled all RSS formats.

Re: Gripes with RSS after one week

#94
post #22

I like Inoreader[0]. The web app is plenty snappy for me, and supports basic vim nav keys, which is a lovely plus. The free plan's 150 feeds are sufficient for my use case. The mobile app also performs well. Mostly it just gets out of my way, which is all I really want. [0] https://www.inoreader.com

btw, https://vimium.github.io/ would let u use vim navigation on any web page

Re: Gripes with RSS after one week

#95

Nice writeup. I share a lot of these gripes, as someone who's also on the publishing side: it continues to surprise me how many people actually do read my blog via RSS (based on statistics passed back through user agents), given how poor the discovery and client experience is.

How are you tracking RSS reads? HTTP logs?

Yep, HTTP logs: most standalone RSS clients have a distinct user agent, and most of the web-based ones send a UA containing the total subscriber count.

For example, here's a log from today:

    8.29.198.27 - - [01/Jan/2023:00:04:42 -0500] "GET /feed.xml HTTP/1.1" 304 0 "-" "Feedly/1.0 (+http://www.feedly.com/fetcher.html; 99 subscribers; like FeedFetcher-Google)"
Interestingly, a few of the big ones (Feedly, Feedbin) have multiple subscriber counts for me. I'm not sure why that is.

Re: Gripes with RSS after one week

#96
To some extent I agree with the article... (apart from the finding the feed link in the page, as most RSS readers do this automatically)

Where I do have issues is why a lot of news, blogs and article sites fail to actually use them, or even use them in a inconsistent manner. I've rolled my own feed reader ( https://dragonc.droppages.com/ - dedicated to Boardgames) because no reader has actually managed to lay things out as I wanted. But in making my own I found there is so much inconsistency in how it's implemented. Well yes, there is a standard but it seems that a lot of vendors don't even bother handling things because RSS just isn't accepted in general use. Some sites don't even bother putting the title of their site in their feed.

Everybody rolls their own RSS feeds these days. yes, some Blog style sites have it automatically as a by-product of the platform. Yet other news sites just don't even bother assuming that you'll be reading their site anyway. And for those, you have to do some creative grep/sed/awk processing to get out the interesting articles for your feed reader.

Re: Gripes with RSS after one week

#97
The firehose is really something you have to get used to and I’ll admit finding the right combination of tools to meet your needs can take a bit of trail and error.

I can about my workflow here: https://www.liamjbennett.me/posts/2022-12-23-workflow-2023/

I moved away from Feedly to Readwise Reader (https://readwise.io/read ) recently because not only does it help with the firehose it’s also pretty good at recommending other sites to follow.

Re: Gripes with RSS after one week

#98
post #94
post #22

I like Inoreader[0]. The web app is plenty snappy for me, and supports basic vim nav keys, which is a lovely plus. The free plan's 150 feeds are sufficient for my use case. The mobile app also performs well. Mostly it just gets out of my way, which is all I really want. [0] https://www.inoreader.com

btw, https://vimium.github.io/ would let u use vim navigation on any web page

And Tridactyl as well for Firefox, not to mention qutebrowser, from which I write this very reply.

The annoying thing with such solutions for webapps is when there is a more fluent implementation of navigation in the context of the application. With j/k bound to normal scrolling, I then have to resort to link-hinting to navigate among articles in the feed. With app-native navigation, these can jump among articles.

A good vim-binding experience is not just j/k for scrolling up and down (:

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